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  •  Nuclear, oil, coal, natural gas will (6+ / 0-)

    kill off homo sapiens eventually. Is that what you want for your kids and grandkids, NNadir? Sure, mistakes will be made in converting to safe renewables. I'll take them any day over Chernobyl, Fukushima, the BP Oil Disaster, and all the rest. The Earth will survive catastrophic climate change; mankind won't.

    Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

    by orlbucfan on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 07:03:54 PM PST

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    •  Listen, despite your fantasy, in order to KILL (3+ / 0-)
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      as many people as dangerous fossil fuels, Fukushima (which actually killed - sorry to disappoint you no one) would have to kill two million people PER YEAR, as air pollution does.

      This is the data from the World Health Organization:

      Two million per year, 5000, per day, 210 per hour.

      As it happens, radiation doses approximating or exceeding the lifetime limits for nuclear plant workers were received by about 3700 people.   All have had medical exams, and thus far none have died.   If they all died instantly however, they would amount to about 17 hours of the deaths produced by the normal operations of dangerous fossil fuel plants.

      For the record, I described this here, in a diary that sort of went virial on other websites at the time:

      Were the Japanese Engineers Who Built Fukushima Incompetent.

      Now I know that anti-nukes all have happy faces because the nuclear plants were destroyed.   Even though there is NOT ONE anti-nuke who can name anything that is without risk in a 15 meter tsunami and a 9.0 earthquake, the fact is that the destruction of the nuclear plant will lead to deaths not because the plants leaked radiation, but because they were replaced by dangerous fossil fuel plants that cannot operate under any circumstances - earthquake or not - without killing.

      Now, anti-nukes are entirely a selective attention bunch.  
      They don't give a rat's ass that 20,000 people died during the Sendai earthquake from buildings.   There are zero smirking anti-nukes who have called for the phase out of buildings.  They have no interest whatsoever that 1000 homes were swept away and at least 8 people were killed by a collapsing dam.  Zero anti-nukes have called for the phase out of dams.

      Neither are they even remotely well educated enough to understand that the largest energy disaster in human history (excepting the normal operations of fossil fuel and biomass facilities which kill 20 million per decade) was the collapse of the Banqiao dam system, which killed roughly 200,000 people in a matter of a few days.

      Instead of understanding these very simple and readily discovered facts, they would rather engage in a stupid fantasy that either Fukushima or Chernobyl were the most serious disasters of all time.  


      The only reason I can surmise is that they have a fetish.

      I'm sorry that Fukushima didn't kill as many people as you fantasized, despite all your hopes and wishes.

      Better luck next time.

      Have a nice evening.

      •  Fukushima (12+ / 0-)

        Had a chance to talk with Joi Ito last week at MIT Media Lab.  He has been instrumental in setting up the citizens' radiation monitoring network and helping to train people in nuclear decontamination, two things the government and TEPCO have not really been doing.  

        He said that the radiation is now throughout the food chain in Japan.  Ingesting radionuclides is much more harmful than air exposure and  concentrates, like most pollutants, as it travels up the food chain.  I'm sure that no cancer deaths will ever be incontrovertibly linked to Fukushima.  Nuclear power never kills anyone because cancer does not wear a label.

        Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at solarray.

        by gmoke on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 10:32:14 PM PST

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      •  It's not a fantasy, pal. (0+ / 0-)

        I was born into a space/science/math family. I know a few things about nuke energy. 3 Mile Island, Fukashima and Chernobyl stand as very serious examples of the dangers of nuclear energy.

        Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

        by orlbucfan on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 11:38:03 AM PST

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      •  yikes (0+ / 0-)


        Fukushima = total fucking environmental disaster

        If you can't equate the TOTAL FUCKING ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTERS of Fukushima and Chernobyl in just the last 26 years - a mere blink in terms of human history - to have anything whatsoever to do with the potential of the continuation of human habitability of this planet (read people staying alive, as in not dying) then, then, then... yikes.

        Let's see, at the rate we're going huge chunks of the earth will regularly become off limits for habitation and agriculture, that's a really good plan. And you know it's going to happen, one at a time, off limits for eons as in gone for good in terms of human existence on this fucked up planet.

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