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    •  I'm not telling anyone to do anything. (6+ / 0-)
      •  I suppose. (13+ / 0-)
        I advise you to take a page out of Shirley Sherrod's book of class, a woman who had every right to hate Mr. Breitbart.
        •  Okay. Point taken. (11+ / 0-)

          Your reaction is your prerogative as my opinion in this diary is mine. I think that if one is going to stoop to his level, one shouldn't bill themselves as better than him.

          •  Yeah, I understand. (20+ / 0-)

            But I also think this is a site for social as well as political commentary. Talking about Breitbart's past actions would seem to be appropriate and relevant at the time of his death.

            I don't begrudge anyone pointing out what a nasty piece of work the guy was.

          •  Josh Marshall's reaction is worthy of repeating (3+ / 0-)
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            Especially since there is a notable difference in the way Breitbart's media peers have reacted to his death and the way many bloggers reacted.  This comes from knowing a person as an actual person and not only as a loudmouth on TV.

            I have many friends and acquaintances whose politics are the antithesis of all I stand for. Their ideas are often rightwing lunacy and their hatred of Obama is beyond my comprehension. These people are my politics opponents - people that exist on the other side of the blogosphere from me. Yet, in real life, while working beside them and sharing beers and iTunes songs at a party, they can seem like great people. Maybe some people here simply cannot separate themselves from their politics and, as a result, everything is seen through that political filter. Those people feel a responsibility to pen diaries about how much they want to dance on the grave of that piece of shit Breitbart. So be it. Others, like me, realize that we can still act like human beings even with our political enemies. It doesn't make the Breitbarts of the world great people, it just humanizes them. And, as weatherdude points it, it makes for some civility in a world that is often less than so.

            That being said, TPM's Josh Marshall said it well today.

            I was … I am stunned to hear of the death of Andrew Breitbart. I don’t think there’s much of anything I agreed with him about, which is an understatement. My interactions with him were first friendly, then later heated and vexed, though maybe not unfriendly even then. He tweeted something at me yesterday, which I ignored. There are some people who live for the fight. It’s something I try not to be part of. Yet it’s a big, punchy, vivid and outrageously honorable tradition in the American public square. I cannot think of many people who lived more out loud than he did, more in primary colors. I remember thinking at some points even the name — the way it rolls off your tongue — has this rough, brickbat, unsmoothable sound: Breit / Bart.

            I noticed on my Facebook feed this morning this comment from my friend Hilary Rosen: “‎#AndrewBreitbart RIP you big crazy rabble-rousing bundle of contradictions, loathsome actions and a giant heart. You have made your mark.” I don’t think I can say anything more fitting.

            He left his mark.

            Beneath all the layers of our public life, we’re sons, daughters; parents to sons and daughters: naked people at our most vulnerable, true moments. This is way, way too young to die, something I know palpably since Breitbart was only a week or so older than I am.

            Others knew him better, can memorialize him better. But for myself I wish the very best to his wife and children in this moment of unbearable grief and send my condolences to all his friends, of whom there were many.

    •  Of course they do. (4+ / 0-)

      We have the right to dispense as much advice as we like. Others have the right to accept or ignore that advice. Nobody's "rights" are being violated when someone says "I think we should do X", Bob; for crying out loud, and certainly not yours or mine by anything weatherdude has ever said or done.

      I (somewhat) disagreed with him and you can too, but our disagreement doesn't make him wrong for having expressed an opinion in the first place. He feels a certain way about the appropriate reaction to this event. I feel differently. We're talking about it. That's how it works here; why am I needing to explain this to you of all people?

      I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

      by eataTREE on Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 12:19:13 PM PST

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      •  Well, that's a lovely, lofty sentiment (2+ / 0-)
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        but it bears little resemblance to life as it is lived. There's a lot of conflict in life. All kinds of disagreablness. We are rarely the picture of fine manners, curtsies and bows.

        Of course there's much to be said for getting along and showing respect, for the dead or otherwise; but there's another, equally legitimate, side to that pole. Our "better angels" don't always prevail; and yet, and yet... I sense that that is not categorically a terrible, horrible, bad, bad thing. It seems to me we're all pretty much feeling our way--by means of our whole selves (not just our decorous selves)--toward who we really are as moral people. All the jostling, the negative feelings as well as the positive ones, might well be perceived as most excellent grist for our individual moral mills. Refining us, as it were.  ;^)

        As for Bob Johnson, I'll hazard a guess he choked on the diary not because he forgot that we all have a right to dispense advice when and as we please, but rather because the advice dispensed was accompanied by a bit of a moralistic bony finger. Having come to know over the years what kind of guy he is, I'm not surprised he loged a terse opinion about it.

        God bless our tinfoil hearts

        by aitchdee on Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 01:45:31 PM PST

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    •  Actually, everyone does. (4+ / 0-)
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      And aren't you telling weatherdude how to react to other people's reactions?

      It's like the Inception of advice!

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 12:42:54 PM PST

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    •  Oh, pffffff (1+ / 0-)
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      You mean like this, Bob Johnson?

      Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
      Of course the diarist has that right.  Now the recipient of the message, on the other hand, has an equal right to tell the diarist where he can shove it  . . .

      “Are you calling the Koch brothers during the recess?” - Henry Waxman

      by thenekkidtruth on Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 12:44:54 PM PST

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