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  •  How do you recommend the latter? (6+ / 0-)

    Given that unionized teachers are actually more likely to be removed from their jobs than non-union teachers, so it's clearly not the contracts that are the main issue. So, separate from all the bullshit attacks on teachers unions making it hard to fire bad teachers, in the real world, what do you recommend?

    •  My radical proposal (0+ / 0-)

      would be to junk the state and city departments of education, the so-called schools of education, and the entire bogus process that is termed "certification." I'd replace it with stiff academic area competency certification along with a rigorous apprenticeship system.

      In the real world, I'd like to replace the present tenure system with, say 5-year contracts and then work out measures of competence for rreappointment that included both success of students on straightforward academic exams and in-class observation and evaluation by teams of inspectors-general tied neither to the unions nor the local school administration. That might be a start.

      •  There are bad teachers, but there numbers are smal (2+ / 0-)
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        elfling, JanL

        The real problem with schools is poverty and corruption.  The difference between the best schools and the worst are rarely anything but money based.  Affluent school districts generally have the best schools and the best students.  Poor school districts have neither.  Of course, that's a generalization and there are small numbers of exceptions.  But having had a child in NYC public schools, Stamford public schools and a very affluent CT towns school systems, I have seen first hand the difference.

        The two city schools each had their problems and each had strengths.  But both had to deal with all the poverty brings to any system.   In my current affluent town, it's not perfect, but it's not that hard to run a great school system when you have the money you need to hire the best teachers, plenty of books, smart boards, athletics programs, music, art, science, you name it we got it.  Oh there's also what we don't have—kids living in poverty.  There's not one kid here on a free school meal program.  Every kid here is capable of doing very well.  There are few problems at home an relative to cities, they're almost non-existent.

        There's all sorts of solutions for symptoms of our problems.  But no one is talking about the biggest problem of all.


        Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

        by Back In Blue on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:56:17 PM PST

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    •  That's an interesting claim (0+ / 0-)
      Given that unionized teachers are actually more likely to be removed from their jobs than non-union teachers,
      Got a cite?

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