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  •  He "defanged" nothing (8+ / 0-)

    Obama can still change his mind, like he has in the past. he won't be president foever and any future president can do this. He should have vetoes the bill


    "There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say." W.E.B. Dubois, 1956
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    by TheMomCat on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 03:38:58 PM PST

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    •  but then Congress would have passed it (2+ / 0-)
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      over his veto...they had the votes...and we'd be right back where we are anyway.

      •  Except that all the people you're arguing with (0+ / 0-)

        would have been a hell of a lot more likely to believe your claims that he's not going to make use of this new authority to detain anyone he likes forever without trial.

        Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

        by JesseCW on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:58:13 PM PST

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        •  Well he had a choice to detain and didn't, so (0+ / 0-)

          Since he chose to try the underwear bomber and the times square bomber in civil court with legal representation rather than throw em in GITMO indefinitely - which Bush did with Jose Padillo - why are you so sure Obama's just itchin to throw you in GITMO?

          The paranoia with so little evidence gets a bit silly.

          •  Yet, he's made sure that he's got the (0+ / 0-)

            authority to do so, as do future Presidents.

            why are you so sure Obama's just itchin to throw you in GITMO?
            Why is it so hard for you to understand that people actually exist who are not entirely motivated by fear?

            Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

            by JesseCW on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:55:08 PM PST

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      •  It passed because Obama removed his veto threat (0+ / 0-)

        when the language of the bill was changed.

        See my comment above re: veto threats


        "There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say." W.E.B. Dubois, 1956
        TheStarsHollowGazette.com

        by TheMomCat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:32:33 AM PST

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    •  If he had vetoed the military funding bill, what (2+ / 0-)
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      do you believe would have improved? He fought for and got a better bill once. Do you really think Congress would given him a better bill again? Since it passed both houses and Dems voted for it, would not the President be labelled by independents who decide the election as an extremist more liberal than some Senate Democrats and one who voted against funding our military? I readily acknowledge that IMO the President has made mistakes . Don't you think that the President deserves credit for this and deserves reelection, ESP as compared with his Republican opponent Romney?

      •  Removal of Indefinite Detention provisions (0+ / 0-)

        would have been a vast improvement. He just gave a future president the right to indefinitely detain anyone. And who is to say that he won't change his mind since he has done that so often.


        "There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say." W.E.B. Dubois, 1956
        TheStarsHollowGazette.com

        by TheMomCat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:36:24 AM PST

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        •  Well, the legal experts say he did (0+ / 0-)

          remove indefinite military detention with this policy directive, if you read their quotes.

          Mariner (Verdict) (former director Human Rights Watch) was no fan of the NDAA. And even she says it has been eviscerated with the legally required under Section 1022 policy directive that said he had to say just how it would be by March 1st.

          He said it would be virtually every case will default to civil prosecution.

          •  He removed nothing (0+ / 0-)

            and I have read the bill and the legal experts.

            No matter how you or anyone else twists this, indefinite detention for anyone, including American citizens, is THE Law. Policy directives and signing statements do NOT negate the LAW.  Only Congress or SCOTUS can undo the LAW. I suggest you read the presidential powers part of the Constitution and review how laws are made.

            What Obama says and what he has done are two different things.


            "There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say." W.E.B. Dubois, 1956
            TheStarsHollowGazette.com

            by TheMomCat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:23:03 PM PST

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