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  •  What you can't seem to grasp (2+ / 0-)
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    Dumbo, Dallasdoc

    Is that all it takes is a NEW policy directive to change all of that.

    Either by Obama writing a new policy, or by the next president declaring a NEW policy.

    •  Most of the legal blogs are (2+ / 0-)
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      convinced of what I

      can't seem to grasp
      as I quoted. That this effectively drives a stake through the Cheney era default.

      Perhaps they think that once the FBI is handling this stuff routinely for a few years, it will become the norm.

      Yeah, I know there are evil potential presidents who would like to overturn this, and who think only military detentions work.

      But Obama has proved them wrong in successfully prosecuting the underwear bomber in civil court with legal representation, not putting him in GITMO.

      Then he also had the times square bomber tried in civil court, he did not put him in GITMO either.

      The FBI is perfectly capable of handling this.

      •  Yes, perhaps (2+ / 0-)
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        Dumbo, Dallasdoc
        Perhaps they think that once the FBI is handling this stuff routinely for a few years, it will become the norm.
        It does NOT have the weight of actual law.

        Can you see the difference between policy and law, or not?

        Or are you just an Obama supporter who will justify this partial measure,  passed as a semi-legal sop to justify a horrendous political decision? Ie signing a horrendous law that this action clearly proves he knows was a precedent setting error.... which he is now trying to mitigate with a half assed policy statement that essentially carries NO weight as actual law?

        Yes, he is trying to fix his mistake....but that does not make it any less of a mistake. a mistake that takes us one step closer to the bottom of the slippery slope.

        Your insistence on calling this a veto, when it is patently NOT, certainly indicates that you are more invested in the support of a man over the support of justice and freedom.

        But hey, in the current political climate, I can understand, but NOT gloss over as you do, this half assed bullshit.

        I mean he IS trying to make up for a horrible political decision, even if it is by a half assed smoke and mirrors policy statement. I just get irked when people try to pass off Realpolitik as something noble and praiseworthy.

        It would have been noble and praiseworthy to VETO THE LAW. Not to try to correct his mistake by issuing a meaningless policy directive.

        •  Well, if Mariner says he defanged it (1+ / 0-)
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          (because if you read her previous blogs about NDAA, it is pretty clear that she was not a fan of it as it passed)
           so if she says it is effectively defanged:

          the Obama Administration issued a policy directive that effectively negates much of the NDAA’s section 1022, the section that purports to require that non-citizens suspected of strong links to terrorism be held in military, rather than civilian, custody.
          Using a national security rationale, the directive reverses the presumption of military detention that section 1022 had established."
          and she was the director of the Human Rights Watch Terrorism and Counterterrorism Program, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and belongs to the board of advisors of the International Justice Resource Center and the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism - The Hague and has taught as an adjunct professor at Georgetown Law Center and American University’s Washington College of Law,

           that should be worth something to us non-legal experts.

          •  Ok you win (2+ / 0-)
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            Dumbo, Dallasdoc

            I freely admit that it is better to have a temporary stay...a defanged version...of a horrific soul crushing Big Brother detention law than the out and out horrific soul crushing Big Brother detention law that Obama had the politically motivated politically cowardly necessity to sign. Strictly for political reasons.

            Even though this semi-legal sop of a joke "policy statement" does nothing more than prove he knows what he did by signing the law was dead wrong morally.

            If you think that is praise worthy, who am i to argue?

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