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  •  Someone smart (11+ / 0-)

    once said to me that the reception of ecumenical councils is measured in centuries, not decades, so we are still in the very early stages of figuring out how to live Vatican II. I hope that's true.

    One of my RCIA people--very smart, but a conservative republican, who knows I am not--asked me last week why I stayed; he thought I might find a good fit in the Episcopal church. I had no real answer to give him, except that the Catholic church is still home--right now, anyway.

    •  I left the Church. (12+ / 0-)

      That was right for me. It took me half my life to make that decision, which was not made lightly. Don't let anyone make you leave the Roman Church if you do not want to. If that is not what you are called to do, do not let ANYONE bully you into it.

      But if you do, take your Catholicism with you. I did. There are plenty of rosary-praying, adoration and benediction practicing, confession going, Angelus-praying, transsubstaniation-believing, Episcopalians. You just have to find them, and sometimes those parishes can be more conservative than the RC parish down the street. It's not always a solution, even though it worked for me.

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      by commonmass on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:58:36 PM PST

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      •  Thanks, commonmass (11+ / 0-)

        I think the almost-PhD in theology has allowed me to see so many variations in Catholicism, that for the most part I'm at peace with not always agreeing with what goes on. I know my faith, and I know the history of my faith.

        My conscience is fairly well formed, and well informed, and I'm a Thomist--I believe I'm bound to follow my conscience. So I don't have a lot of problem living with the ambiguity.

      •  It's such a personal decision, yes. (4+ / 0-)
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        I think I've mentioned here a few times that one of my closest friends - we call each other brother & sister, and relate to one another as such - is an ordained Roman Catholic priest who left his religious community in 2008, married his husband, and is now rostered in the ELCA.

        He calls himself a "small 'c' catholic" - and while I know it's not the easiest for him that I'm still "on the inside", I'm certainly not there under any false pretenses or out of Stockholm Syndrome or anything.

        OTOH - there is this fabulous little Anglo-Catholic parish that I went to daily for a week back in 2009, and to which I'd happily return again (and perhaps forever), if only I could. It's in Sydney, though, which is proving to be a bit of an obstacle. (If, perhaps, the only obstacle.)

        "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

        by paxpdx on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:28:47 PM PST

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        •  I have been lucky to find Anglo Catholic parishes (3+ / 0-)
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          which were doctrinally flexible, radically welcoming, and liturgically higher than a kite. Just my sort of thing. Especially since I am a specialist in Gregorian Chant and Renaissance Polyphony, both Continental and English, and am a career sacred musician. They can be found.

          Our Episcopal Cathedral here in Portland, ME (St. Luke's) is great because while broad with a high church bent the Diocese itself is rather high church. I would say 60 percent of the parishioners are Anglo-Catholics, the rest mostly broad with a few evangelicals (low church) interspersed. Having visited our RC Cathedral here, I can say that we certainly have them 10 to 1 when it comes to liturgy and music. We can put on one heck of a procession, I'll tell you that, and our thurifers know what they are doing when it comes to fancy stuff in processions, we have Stations of the Cross twice a week during Lent and it is made clear that the Sacrament of Reconciliation is available at any time and the Blessed Sacrament is reserved on the Altar (something that not all, but many, Episcopal churches do).

          I can live with that.

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          by commonmass on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:37:06 PM PST

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