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  •  Where did he say that, word for word? (5+ / 0-)

    You have a point if you're suggesting he didn't say the words "I demand that our national health care policies adhere to the views of my church"
    I bet he didn't.

    But you don't have a point if you are saying that is what they are demanding.
    His church is against birth control thus our national health care policies can not include birth control.
    How much is that at variance in it's effect on policy with "I demand that our national health care policies adhere to the views of my church"?

    •  Well (3+ / 0-)
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      In that case, you can't limit it to Catholics.  Evangelicals?  Mainstream Protestants.  Etc.  Etc..

      Any source that is stating that "our national health care policies can not include birth control?"

      IMHO this whole thing is being driven by the media and desperate Pols seeking to divert attention from the true national crisis of the economy, jobs and the ramifications and blowback of our continued intervention in foreign countries where we have no place in being in the first place.

      Squirrel?

      Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

      by EdMass on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:04:09 AM PST

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      •  It's also being driven by politicians (18+ / 0-)

        who actually want to take away womens' reproductive choices / access to full workplace equality.  It's a ginned up issue because politicians are inconsistent in their outrage and hypocrites, but I think Rick does somewhat believe what he says that if he doesn't want contraception, insurance companies shouldn't provide it to those who do.  He only started expressing thismview when it was Obama on the other end, not when all of his family and staff were on the congressional plan under Trent Lott.

        The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

        by Loge on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:15:04 AM PST

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        •  And they are? (0+ / 0-)

          Names?  

          The assertions are meaningless without facts and sources.

           I'd really like to know who these troglodytes are so can work against them.

          Otherwise, squirrel...

          Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

          by EdMass on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:28:36 AM PST

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          •  Rick Santorum, dumbass. (2+ / 0-)
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            My college mascot was the squirrels, so pick a different animal to spread the message that the issue that isn't important to you shouldn't be important to others.

            The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

            by Loge on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:35:48 AM PST

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            •  Your words, not mine (0+ / 0-)
              It's a ginned up issue
              Went to name calling fairly quickly.  

              Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

              by EdMass on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:39:50 AM PST

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              •  It's a ginned up issue (0+ / 0-)

                to the extent that it's not a serious moral objection or infringement on civil liberties so anyone describing it as such is talking thru the hat.  It's not a ginned up issue to the extent it's clearly something we have to deal with.  As far as insults go, responding name names after I just did a paragraph on Santorum means the comment was quite kind, all things considering.

                When his stated agenda is to overturn Griswold, what do you think he thinks will happen when he blows the doors off mandatory access to plans with insurance coverage?  The religion thing is a camel's nose in the tent to get to insurance companies no longer writing contraception coverage, which, by the way, hurts only working class women, not rich ones. This is an employment discrimination issue, though that's really what the culture wars are about.  Nobody cared about abortion till women started competing for jobs -- don't cite roe, it was legal in many states and commonly practiced among women who could afford it going back into the 50s and 60s, with varying degrees of safety.

                The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

                by Loge on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:49:30 AM PST

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    •  It's an important distinction (0+ / 0-)

      Did he say HE was against birth control, or that the LAWS should be?

      I think the President took the religious exemption thing off the table when he adjusted the original policy.  But some don't.  So that's a separate issue.

      I think Santorum should be asked if he would support laws on the basis of the teaching of the Catholic Church and the authority of the Pope.

      I think he might.  He hasn't actually said that, though, but no one has asked him.  Someone should.

      •  Apparently he said (14+ / 0-)
        But that's not what the issue is about. The issue is about whether the government can force you to do things that are against your conscience.
        The GOVERNMENT is not forcing anybody to take birth control. Period. Nobody is FORCING anybody to do anything.

        They are simply saying that if that is your CHOICE, it should be covered by INSURANCE.

        Insurance that YOU pay for, in one way or another. Remember, if your employer had NO employees, they wouldn't be paying for ANYBODY'S health insurance. And you better believe that they consider that benefit a part of YOUR compensation. Paid for with money they DO NOT PAY YOU, because they pay the insurance company.

        •  Now, Santorum has so far (2+ / 0-)

          only explicitly demanded that employers have the right to so discriminate with your money, but he's also called for Griswold v CT to be overturned and knows damn well that if enough employers cease offering plans with birth control, insurers just stop writing them.  There's no money to be made in writing checks to pharmacies.

          The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

          by Loge on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:41:14 AM PST

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