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  •  I find this premise very plausible (23+ / 0-)

    Here's another thought along the same lines to throw out there, something that came up in a conversation with my wife recently.

    There is a segment of the male population that enables rape by believing or purporting to believe that men can't control their sexuality (so it is somehow the victim's fault when it happens)

    If you have this belief honestly, then some of the really stupid stuff said about mixed genders or gays in the military follows.

    1.  If men can't control their sexuality, than you should expect women to be raped if they join the military
    2.  If men can't control their sexuality, gay men in the military will be raping straight men

    So again - an issue tied normally to a "woman issue" problem ties directly to a major "anti-gay" issue.

    I suspect there is near 100% overlap between those who want to control women and those who want to eliminate homosexuality from society.   The basic foundations of how they see the world are threatened equally by both free,strong women and open homosexuality.

    •  This whole men can't control thing... (10+ / 0-)

      especially in the military… hasn't it always been standard practice to rape women of the opposing side, and sometimes the defeated male warriors too?

      I find myself wondering if the crap they were saying about military rape wasn't formulated in the knowledge of the dirty ways sex gets used in war.

      Poverty = politics.

      by Renee on Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 07:23:15 PM PST

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    •  Remember malleus maleficarum? (12+ / 0-)

      I agree.

      In 1487, women were witches because they caused uncontrollable lust in men.  Women since Eve were keeping men from going to heaven because of doing the Devil's work: “all witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable.”  

      This is an old idea. Christianity has been trying to keep a lid on fornicators for a long time.   I don't know why they think men cannot be responsible for their own sexuality.  

      •  It seems like that idea (4+ / 0-)
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        is common in at least the extremist version of Christianity, Islam and Judaism -- women must be covered, kept away from men until married, etc. The first time I encountered that was as a little girl in Catholic school when I was told I couldn't wear patent leather shoes because they would reflect what was under my skirt. I remember thinking, "So what?" It took me a few more years to realize there was just too much BS associated with the church for me to stick with it. Great diary, RFrancisR, I think you're on to something here.

        "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." Anais Nin

        by SuWho on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 10:25:38 AM PST

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    •  Plausible and going even further... (0+ / 0-)

      I rather suspect that there are men who don't argue that they cannot control their sexuality, as in wanting sex - I suspect that what they really believe is that they shouldn't have to control wanting sex.

      That they should be able to have sex whenever they want with whoever they want because they live in the smug certainty that they are the be-all and end-all of all creation and as such shouldn't be denied.

      That sounds rather extreme and I don't actually think that this would be many men but probably quite a few more than I would like to believe.

      I would like to be wrong and that this kind of supremacy thinking is held by only a tiny minority of people, and preferably by no-one at all obviously. If someone can't respect others then why would they deserve any respect themselves?

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