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  •  mn-8 (0+ / 0-)

    Please, go away. You aren't going to get the endorsement, you lost the caucus, now leave.

     http://www.minnpost.com/...

    •  Let the people decide (2+ / 0-)
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      jmartin4s, MichaelNY

      She's not my favorite candidate in the race but kudos to Clark for deciding not to abide by the farce that is the party endorsement process. I hate the idea that a couple hundred activists normally get to pick the candidates in Minnesota.

      •  I think the people made the right decision with (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        the MNgov primary last year. I trust them do the same with this district. I was really not pleased with how RT Ryback was forced out or how they dealt with MN03 in 08

        •  RT Rybak (2+ / 0-)
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          James Allen, MichaelNY

          in all fairness he could have skipped the convention like Dayton did.

          21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), hopeless Swingnut

          by sapelcovits on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 12:04:29 PM PST

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          •  and he should have, primaries arent the worst (1+ / 0-)
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            Minnesota Mike

            thing in the world. They do help in a candidate in building name recognition and organization. As long as they remain polite, they can generally have a benefit. For the purpose of the Minnesota senate race in 2008 which had a million different variables, I happen to think the primary helped Al Franken out and you removed the primary variable, you never know what would have happened. I'd really like to know what the DFL is so afraid of when it comes to a primary, unless they simply want to handpick the candidates themselves.

            •  ??? (1+ / 0-)
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              MichaelNY

              the convention doesn't remove the primary. if it did then MAK would have been the Dem nominee for governor in 2010. Candidates make the choice to compete at the convention. Rybak bowed out of his own accord after losing.

              21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), hopeless Swingnut

              by sapelcovits on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 12:17:36 PM PST

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              •  I never said the convention removed the primaries (1+ / 0-)
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                Minnesota Mike

                I was alluding to the fact, that the DFL wants the convention to eliminate the primaries and for them to decide everything. Ryback chose to bow out after he lost but if there wasnt so much pressure on the other candidates to step aside and allow the convention winner to be the nominee, Ryback might very well have become governor now.

                •  If there was so much pressure on other (1+ / 0-)
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                  MichaelNY

                  candidates to step aside, then Mark Dayton and Matt Entenza certainly had no trouble resisting it.

                  I don't mean to defend the whole endorsement process per se, but acting like Rybak was some kind of helpless victim of party hackery is a little unfair, I think.

                  21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), hopeless Swingnut

                  by sapelcovits on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 12:42:37 PM PST

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                  •  well maybe its a lesson to candidates in the (2+ / 0-)
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                    Minnesota Mike, MichaelNY

                    future not to listen to what the DFL says and follow Dayton and Clark's example. Thus making the convention outcome useless, the way it should have been all along.

                    •  Rybak was smart (1+ / 0-)
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                      MichaelNY

                      Margaret Anderson-Kelliher and he had the exact same political base of very liberal urbanites and highly educated suburbanites. If both had gone onto the primary, Dayton would've won in an absolute cake-walk with his huge appeal in Greater Minnesota.

                      And for the love of god do not give Mark Dayton any credit.  He has been an absolutely amazing governor and at this stage, considering the job he has done and the press he gets, he is a clear favorite for 2014.  The dude is awesome at his job.  However, most of the love he gets is because of nostalgia; my aunts, uncles, and grandparents still accidentally refer to the Macy's downtown as Dayton's. And he represents the old Minnesota and he is Farmer-Labor at heart, hence why he is extremely populist and will not end his desire to raise taxes on the rich until he is done from politics. Also why he won the primary in 2010; he got the F-L base while MAK got the D's.  (DFL: Democrat, Farmer, Labor.  All three are very distinct and have very distinct regions of the state.)  Which, we discovered, is just enough to win statewide in a DFL primary.

                      Which is what brings me to my beef with Dayton and my problem with your sentiments.  Dayton can win any day of the week statewide, regardless if he's been named in the "Top 5 Worst Senators" or as the greatest human being on Earth, as Minnesota simply loves the Dayton's because they revolutionized the retail industry as we know it and they put Minnesota on the map because of it. And even as a gay man from MN, I scoffed at the boycotts of Target because I lived in Minneapolis and after my taxes, they were probably the second greatest contributor to downtown Minneapolis. I've chatted with police officers and one told me all of their segways and fancy equipment was paid for by Target, and that our new agency of downtown ambassadors who picked up garbage, gave lost people directions and watered plants, all paid for by Target.

                      So Dayton was always going to win, but his tax the rich attitude is what made him comparable to Emmer in that both were seen as very extreme in their ideology. And with our history of the third party Independents, it was obvious that the media would pile onto Emmer but be forced to pile onto Dayton because he was equally as extreme because it could give the media it's "non-partisan, above it all" bullshit appearance.  Which is what called out to suburbanites who would've voted for Rybak or MAK, but wouldn't vote for Dayton because he was too extreme, and thus that carried on down ticket and which cost a lot of suburban legislative seats.  (Including, who will be a GOP statewide officeholder someday, state rep. John Kriesel, who won a seat that Obama won by 15.72%.)

                      Mark my words, if RT or MAK had been the nominee, both would've won by high-single digits and both would've seen one of the state legislative chambers under their control. However, either could have been worse governors for us simply because they follow political realities, whereas Dayton follows politic desires.

                      •  And this should go without saying (2+ / 0-)
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                        MichaelNY, OGGoldy

                        that Clark is no Dayton.  A college friend, who was her finance director, has now quit to head a non-profit.  And considering that Clark has out-raised her opponents every quarter, I think, should say what way the winds are blowing considering that the finance director has now quit. I haven't asked my friend, but I doubt she bailed because Clark no longer needed her help....  In fact, announcing she's running in the primary so shortly after she got trounced in the initial straw poll and after she got a huge shaft in redistricting should indicate that she's having a last gasp of air.  I love Tarryl Clark because she is a liberal from St. Cloud and that's where my entire family is from, but come on......  The city of St. Cloud has nothing in common with the Iron Range except for maybe the percentage of people who have gotten a DUI/DWI.

                        •  My issue isnt being pro-dayton or pro-clark (1+ / 0-)
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                          MichaelNY

                          Its that im anti-dfl endorsement deciding who is the nominee. I prefer the route dayton and clark are taking ignoring the convention, it should not have as much influence as it currently does.

                      •  Just curious, do you think Minnesota (1+ / 0-)
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                        MichaelNY

                        is trending to the Republicans?

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