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  •  A Error? Again? (7+ / 0-)
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    In reading the postings to those of you received replies from Limplog's advertisers, the common theme seems to be "We don't intentionally advertise on his show. It was an error on the part of the agency/radio station/phase of the moon or some such.

    So...are these "errors" all that common? Maybe ipsos can answer that but it seems to my cynical soul that "it was an error" is the first thing that get's taught in PR101 when you don't want to admit something was really accurate.

    Is it just me?

    •  It might be (9+ / 0-)

      Have you read the fine diaries that describe the details of the radio advertising business? Many many companies advertise under a system that does not specify specific radio programs. Those ads can end up on most any radio show.

      Search for recent diaries about contacting radio station program directors, if you had not already read them.

      •  Then it's not really an error, is it? (1+ / 0-)
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        "Many many companies advertise under a system that does not specify specific radio programs"

        •  It is an error... (16+ / 0-)

          ... because Limbaugh's show is not in the targeting demo.

          If you are advertising for a grocery store, you want to hit morning and afternoon drive time (all programs), plus female-oriented programs during the day (as women do about 80% of retail shopping).

          Rush is neither drive time nor-female oriented.

          Some radio stations, when they don't have ads for a slot, will fill in with "run of day" ads that were slotted for other programs or other local stations in the same organization (Entercomm, ClearChannel, etc.).  The company advertising will not be notified until usually a week after -- in the weekly report of all ads run.

          Letting your local advertiser know that this has happened will let them go tell the station manager(s) to quit it already.

          •  but if you give the go ahead to put (1+ / 0-)
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            your ads * anywhere * - you really have to be monumentally naive to think they won't end up on Mr. Limbaugh's show.  It's not like it's an obscure entity that the average person has never heard of before . . .

            So I maintain that it's a huge copout to claim this is an error.

            •  Other diaries have explained... (6+ / 0-)

              There are several ways that without being very explicit the ads can make it to the time slot, that have been explained by other diaries.  One example could be that the "on the hour" national network news has a couple of national advertisements. So, if the company has not made it very clear that the ad should not appear in any national news going out to Limbaugh station during the Limbaugh show, it could sneak in.  Other diaries and commenters have described how the various blocks of ads can be split among various sources, national network, national network news, local, local news, etc...  So, it is not that hard to see how an ad can sneak in if an ad agency says, "Yes, we want to advertise during your local new casts."  without explicitly saying, "but not during the Rush Limbaugh time slot."

              •  Yes, that's the way the system works (0+ / 0-)
                So, if the company has not made it very clear that the ad should not appear in any national news going out to Limbaugh station during the Limbaugh show, it could sneak in.
                it's not a mistake

                Maybe we're both saying the same thing, i'm not sure.

                In any event, when it happens it is massively disingenous for the company to characterize it that way.

                •  "Massively"? (2+ / 0-)
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                  I doubt most people expect each company to reply with a 10 page summary of the ins-and-outs of the radio advertizing industry. I doubt most people find the explanation disingenuous at all and it is certainly not "massively" so.

                  Don't let the hyper-perfect be the enemy of the good.

      •  One good thing about this whole Boycott Limbaugh (10+ / 0-)

        thing is that cretins like Limbaugh will be less able to get sponsors this way.
           Companies will have to pay closer attention to where their ads are ending up. I think Limbaugh was able to get away with his misogynist, racist, lying crappola for so long partly due to a system that seemed too confusing to pull off an effective boycott.

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 12:41:51 PM PST

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    •  You rang? (21+ / 0-)

      Yeah...the "traffic" department of a radio station or network, which handles the placement of ads and other interstitial material, is a complex and little-understood place.

      I addressed a lot of this here.

      In a nutshell: yes, there are all kinds of ways that an ad can land in a specific timeslot on a radio station without the advertiser having specifically requested to be in that slot. There are even ways in which an advertiser can end up in a timeslot after having specifically requested not to be in that slot.

      But you know what? After a while, if a station is spending so much time and effort making sure its paying advertisers aren't being heard during a specific's going to take a hard look at whether it's still worth carrying that show.

      Intended to be a factual statement.

      by ipsos on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 01:26:20 PM PST

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