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  •  it's not a "hard truth" it's racism (8+ / 0-)

    just because you felt that way does not mean that the fear of "persons of color" is at all justified, any kore than the assumption that white are not likely to be criminals or a threat.

    it's a common feeling among whites, and part of a systemic racist system that permeates our society, but it sure as hell is not a truth, hard soft or otherwise.

    and there's one dead black kid in florida because of it, who had far more to fear from a young white man than the white man had to fear him.

    •  Lazy (4+ / 0-)
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      high uintas, debedb, 43north, PavePusher

      This isn't some suburban white guy sitting in his house watching the local news tell him that the city center is full of violent black people.  This is someone with first hand experience who, despite whatever experiences he shares in this comment, is a member of this community.  This is a person saying he was a minority in a community where he was the victim of several crimes against his person and had his most intimate spaces violated, so he didn't trust the people in his community he couldn't identify with.

      I speak only for the comments made, not for the commenter.

      The "hard truth" I read was the hard truth the commenter has to tell himself, that despite the overall racism of the nation, he felt the same justifications that ignorant racists feel and for the reasons they use as justification.  Except he actually had justification, for a period of time, from experience.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 08:39:28 PM PST

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      •  Actually the real hard truth is that most of the (5+ / 0-)

        crime victims in these high crime black neighborhoods are ....... black people living in these same high crime neighborhoods. If you want to be indignant- let's start with these black crime victims first and foremost.

      •  what's lazy is this assumption (1+ / 0-)
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        "This is a person saying he was a minority in a community where he was the victim of several crimes against his person and had his most intimate spaces violated, so he didn't trust the people in his community he couldn't identify with."

        it's the assumption that nonwhite people are a threat to one's person, as a class, because a white guy can't bring themselves to identify with them.

        me, i'm an actual white suburbanite who has no idea who is safe and who isn't when i'm in a community i'm not from and have no experience with, but i don't just assume that i can tell who's going to mug me based on who is white and who isn't.

        •  No, you threw the racist accusation (0+ / 0-)

          From what I see, it was a particular time and place that webranding was talking about.  Walk a mile in his shoes, then pass judgement.  As far as I'm concerned, sure, its an uncomfortable feeling to have, but if there are actual personal experiences to back it up I am not going to immediately call you a racist.

          it's the assumption that nonwhite people are a threat to one's person, as a class, because a white guy can't bring themselves to identify with them.
          In general terms, yes, that is not a healthy attitude to have for the individual or society.  But when the tables are turned, when being white means you are the outsider, the minority, and you have been the victim of multiple crimes, including muggings (I've never been mugged, have you?  I can only imagine the impact that would have on a person) I can understand a little wariness with the majority.

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 11:12:12 PM PST

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    •  "Hard Truth" of racism, perhaps? (2+ / 0-)
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      koosah, AaronInSanDiego

      I think the writer understands what he is saying is he has experienced the reality of being racist.

      Maybe see my response?

      Racism in it's many forms is all too human and universal, overt and covert.

      At times I've sort of suggested to some people here making what I perceive to be racist remakes, or at least expressing opinions informed or motivated by prejudice, that they re-examine their reasoning and in most cases the result is denial.

      In this case I think we have an honest admission and willingness to share it as point of discussion, so I welcome it.

      Certainly it expresses classic racist/prejudiced reasoning, motivated by fear (usually the case) and I think quite relevant to the discussion.

      Why did the assailant in the subject case find the kid "suspicious"?  Quite possibly because he was black.

      To which I'd like to add, if the roles were reversed, most likely there would be one more black man behind bars pending arraignment for shooting an innocent white kid while in the subject case, an admitted shooter and danger to the community walks, a fine example of institutionalized racism.

      Obama was right in the Jeremiah Wright speech, we (the world) have "issues" to discuss.

      BTW, a bit off topic, but I see the entire concept of "Han" often touted by Western and Chinese alike, to be fundamentally racist, delusional, and ill-informed by historical fact. That's probably a radical idea, but what I think and often argue. I credit Spike Lee for leading me to that with his though-provolking films examining the nature of racism including how people make fine distinctions in their own self-identification of race and class. Lee is under-appreciated on that point.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 01:06:25 AM PST

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