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  •  A lot of those soldiers weren't all that willing (1+ / 0-)
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    their government forced them to go sleep in the mud with the lice, etc etc

    And like you say, forced them to do all that when the stakes were much smaller than today.

    Basically, you are making the argument for absolutely draconian, top down action on the part of the federal government.  . . .

    •  if need be, yes. (7+ / 0-)

      If there's a wildfire sweeping through a valley, one would hope that everyone evacuates voluntarily.  But if not, then you send the police door to door, and if they find children, they yank them the hell out of there even if the parents want to stay and get incinerated.  Because when push comes to shove comes to handcuffs, parents do not have the right to incinerate their children, even if they themselves don't give a flying fiddler's fart whether they live or die.  

      Here's the blunt reality:

      The longer we wait to deal with the climate crisis, the fewer the options that remain, and the uglier are the options that remain.

      Today we can get there by cutting back carbon outputs by 6% per year.  If we wait, it'll have to be 15% per year.  

      If we keep waiting, it'll be food rationing and starvation lotteries and mass graves.  Not to mention terrorist bioweapons (a few desperate people in a doomed country are all it takes) and suppression of dissent by force, and mandatory sterilization after the first kid is born, and 40% unemployment if we're lucky, and forced mass migrations, and climate refugee camps, and, and, and, and.

      There is no arguing with nature about this, any more than there's arguing with gravity if you fall from a high place: 9.8 meters per second squared doesn't care whether you're a poet or a pickpocket, either way, you'll go splat! when you hit the ground.  

      Right now our culture is engaged in a kind of binge behavior where "the party goes on" until the hangover hits in full force.  But the day of reckoning is fast approaching.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 07:47:15 AM PDT

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