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  •  The great women who are nuns at our local college (2+ / 0-)
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    Crashing Vor, BusyinCA

    have a long long tradition of helping the powerless and the needy.  I don't think they protect their own privilege or act against anyone.  I know they have never defended child abuse.  I repeat, its not a good thing to judge.

    •  Good for the nuns. (4+ / 0-)
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      cai, Sunspots, Cassandra Waites, crose

      There is incontrovertible evidence that upper echelon officials of the Catholic Church have conspired to obstruct justice and protect serial pedophiles. There is a documented long history corruption in the church and there is an obvious institutional misogyny. This is behavior that should be judged and these are people who should be held accountable for the harm they do. Just because there is a good nun somewhere does not make up for a corrupt bishop.

      •  When you make sweeping statements about people (0+ / 0-)

        and its so easy to point out the very opposite of what you are saying then I think you shouldn't judge in the way you are.

        I could just as easily decide to demonize all women or all men because there are examples in both categories of dishonorable, unjust and cruel people.

        •  If you read carefully (0+ / 0-)

          you'll note that I'm not calling for all nuns or all practicing catholics or all of any class to be held accountable - I am calling for officials in the Catholic Church who have year after year conspired to obstruct justice and protect criminal priests, and for the priests themselves to be held accountable. Also, I am calling for the organization, in the person of high ranking officials who promulgate toxic policies which harm real people (some of whom are even practicing Catholics). There are also cases of Mexican drug cartels doing charitable acts in villages, or cases of mafiosi helping a local family in need, none of which forgives or excuses corruption and abuse. Why do you keep trying to excuse the corruption and abuse of power and privilege practiced by the Catholic Church. Prosecute the abuse and praise the charity. But excusing the real and ongoing church abuses just because a nun somewhere did something good is just as bad as the abusers themselves.

          •  I don't think the Mexican drug cartel compares to (0+ / 0-)

            the many self less Catholic clergy working all over the world for social justice.  You hold up people in authority in their church that have abused that position and I hold up people like Mother Theresa, and where does that get us.

            I am not defending any kind of wrong doing or abuse of power but its not any better to demonize groups of people from the left than it is to do that from the right.

    •  Rome should let the Sisters run the show (1+ / 0-)
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      for a season or two. A Catholic Matriarchy would likely be very different (and better) that the Patriarchy now extant.

      Disclaimer: I served eight years at a Catholic Graded School as a student.

      I'll take the justice of the nuns over the priests any day.

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