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  •  This is a purple state (2+ / 0-)
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    and Republicans support Republicans no matter what.  He has rabid supporters -- kept ginned up by RW hate radio that saturates the state with equally rabid local show hosts.  Walker is a frequent guest even as he avoids the rest of the media.  They consider him their friend and swallow all the BS he spews.

    What he did when he became governor shook everyone in the state.  He lost a good deal of support, but some people don't understand the extent of what he did because they aren't personally affected.  They have no kids in school where the education cuts are unbelievable, work for private employers, and are concerned only with themselves, their families, their paychecks, and their taxes.

    And then there are the tens of millions in ads Walker has been running telling everyone that all is well and a media that doesn't cover anything but fluff news or RW memes.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 08:54:29 PM PDT

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    •  I don't get the center (1+ / 0-)
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      That 30-40% of much of the country will always vote GOP no matter what, I get. I don't like, but I get. They're living on another planet and can't be shook. That 30-40% of much of the country will always vote Dem I also get--they're sane, decent and smart, but mostly sane and decent.

      It's that middle 20-40% that I don't get. They decide elections and yet they still don't seem to understand what a disasterous fraud the GOP has been since Nixon, and that voting for a Repub in most cases is like sticking your head in a deli slicer. How do they not see the connection between people like Nixon, Gingrich, Bush and Walker. Do they still not get that there are no good Repubs left? Do they really think that this time Lucy won't pull the ball?

      I just don't get it.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 11:25:19 PM PDT

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      •  The book (1+ / 0-)
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        What's the Matter with Kansas helps, but I think there's a variety of factors including

        downright bigotry

        fear of losing something you have to someone else

        fear of losing "superiority" or a sense of being superior
           to someone else

        fear of something, anything be it crime, boogeyman,
           terrorists, foreigners, or whatever

        anger that your life is not what you want it to be  

        the need to blame someone else

        laziness in not being aware of current events

        the dim-wittedness of loving simple, even ifuntrue,         explanations, slogans, talking points because then you don't have to think for yourself

        failure to learn civics or history

        the boob tube filled with fake reality programs that are always more appealing than actual reality

        lazy, corporate media

        RW hate radio and TV

        FCC failure to enforce regulations like the fairness doctrine that would give people some truth along with the bullshit their fed

        our government for relaxing media ownership rules and allowing corporations to decide what people should hear as news

        churches, particularly fundamentalist and mega churches that allowed themselves to be taken over by RW politicos starting in the late 70s

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 12:08:10 AM PDT

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        •  Most of these apply more to the right (1+ / 0-)
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          Not all, but most. It's going to take generations to turn them around and even that's a long shot. But what happened to the center? It used to be smarter, better informed, more mature, more sober, less prone to being manipulated by hucksters, less selfish. I'm not a centrist myself, but the center is where things get done and centrists are who decide who gets it done.

          The center has broken, in so many ways. We can't win over the right, but we have to win back the center, if anything good's going to happen again. This has got to be one of Obama's top priorities. Without them, we're doomed.

          And I've read Frank's book. Still don't get it. How can so many reasonably smart people be so stupid? I think it was Reagan. He sold them snake oil at a time that they were inclined to buy it. It ruined them, and us.

          Didn't they know that if something seems too good to be true, it is?

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 01:50:02 AM PDT

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          •  The indies get sucked in, too (0+ / 0-)

            Easier for them to believe, for example, that energy policy is as easy as Drill, Baby, Drill than the complexity of reducing carbon emissions and moving towards non-polluting, renewable energy sources.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 08:59:56 AM PDT

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            •  But the idies are far more gettable (0+ / 0-)

              than the wingnuts. NOT by triangulating, but by winning them over to the moral AND practical superiority of liberalism over conservatism.

              Liberalism works, and is humane. Conservatism is neither.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 01:42:33 PM PDT

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              •  You bet they are (0+ / 0-)

                All this John Doe stuff and extremism plus the talking we do with friends, neighbors, co-workers, people at the stores and streetcorners is the reason we got a million signatures and a whole lot of changed minds.  There are people who voted GOP their whole life who will never vote for a Republican again.  

                Grassroots, person to person is why Walker has to put tens of millions into ads.

                There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                by Puddytat on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 11:13:41 PM PDT

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                •  I think that a lot of Obama swing voters (0+ / 0-)

                  who are saying that they won't or are not sure if they'll vote for him will do so in the end, once they realize what it means not to (just as the vast majority of liberals who are unhappy with Obama's centrism will vote for him too, because the alternative is simply unthinkable). Only the far right, true far left (which most here are not), and selfish indies will vote for someone else, or not vote.

                  Things tighten up in the last few weeks as it all starts to become real.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 11:39:15 PM PDT

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                  •  Around here people aren't (1+ / 0-)
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                    paying a lot of attention nationally.  We got our own awful Republicans to deal with.  And the GOP stain that people are seeing is going to coat national Republicans as well.

                    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                    by Puddytat on Thu Mar 15, 2012 at 12:18:42 AM PDT

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                    •  Let's hope (0+ / 0-)

                      Who was that said that when your enemy is in the process of destroying themselves, you need to just get out of the way and let them?

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Thu Mar 15, 2012 at 12:51:36 AM PDT

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