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  •  It's not "just" a word (1+ / 0-)
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    Nothing is just a word.  It describes something and has meaning.  If you want to use it as just a nice word to brand stuff with then say that, but don't think it comes with no baggage.

    There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 05:04:39 PM PDT

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    •  Okay, I take your point. (1+ / 0-)
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      I've updated the diary to reflect that "nationalism" really probably isn't the word I'm looking for to describe this, but then I don't know what is.

      Is there a way or a word for basing a platform on the idea that we implement a pragmatic approach to the have or be the best of something, without reverting back to the term nationalism?

      "My great panacea for making society at once better and more enjoyable would be to cultivate greater sincerity." -- Frances Power Cobbe

      by Panacea Paola on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 05:31:19 PM PDT

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      •  Progressive Libertarianism? (2+ / 0-)
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        It has the dual function of emphasizing the liberty aspect and pissing off Libertarians.  And it's fairly accurate.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 05:38:40 PM PDT

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        •  That makes me feel dirty, haha. (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't know if I could wear the term Libertarian without seriously taking a good look in the mirror. That's all you had to say to show me how much baggage words have. :)

          That said, you make another good point. Progressive, because we're working towards improving the future, and we're not afraid to use an honest, accountable government to do it. Libertarian because we do value freedom, especially in regard to civil libertarianism, but when that freedom is combined with the values that progressivism entails -- the dignity of all people, the desire for access to education and health care and a preservation of the environment -- it's not so radical as the ultra-pure conservative libertarianism that gives the word definition today. I could certainly come around to calling it that.

          I'm going to continue thinking about this. Maybe I'll write another diary on this topic when I get a few more things hammered out.

          "My great panacea for making society at once better and more enjoyable would be to cultivate greater sincerity." -- Frances Power Cobbe

          by Panacea Paola on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 05:53:10 PM PDT

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      •  It sounds like the word you want is "Solidarity" (2+ / 0-)
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        AoT, joe wobblie

        There's a reason it was/is the Industrial Workers of the World.

        •  I think solidarity is a large part of (0+ / 0-)

          progressivism. It ties in very neatly with the ideas of the social contract.

          But these are still buzz words that appeal to people who are already more community-oriented and would probably turn off those the Republicans so frequently lambast for, you know, having a heart and brain.

          While I don't disagree it can be a useful part of a moral platform, I don't know how effective it would be in recruiting members of the right and convincing them to join the cause. Again, I think this is a term that, to low information voters, would seem somewhat antithetical to our opposition's moral platform of "freedom." I wanted to try to come up with something that wouldn't necessarily compete head on, but would provide a rival platform. Which is how I ended up on "nationalism," even though I'm pretty well convinced now that's not the word I want to use.

          "My great panacea for making society at once better and more enjoyable would be to cultivate greater sincerity." -- Frances Power Cobbe

          by Panacea Paola on Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 09:18:30 PM PDT

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