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  •  Thank you (6+ / 0-)

    Thank you all for your replies, I can see this is a very sensitive subject. I want to assure you it is not my intention to trivialize rape, nor do I support a porn ban like Santorum. I don't consider myself a puritan. I consider myself an atheist actually.

    I will try and write a more detailed diary about porn, how it affects society, what should be done about it, and why I think it both contributes to rape culture and why consent can be a grey area. I will try and use language that will be less offensive and make it clear I don't find these matters trivial at all.

    I apologize to those who felt attacked by my post, I will be sure to include appropriate trigger warnings and better define my terms.

    •  Well, I hope you actually talk (6+ / 0-)

      with guys and gals who regularly watch and like porn before you write your diary and not just repeat what the anti-porn folk BELIEVE happens to those who watch and like it. For example, the myth that you get addicted and need stronger and stronger porn.

      Lamentablemente, por ahora, los objetivos que nos planteamos no fueron logrados en la ciudad capital. - Hugo Chávez, 1992

      by Anak on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58:45 AM PDT

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      •  I used to (0+ / 0-)

        It's completely normal to enjoy porn, but I don't think the problems inherent in the industry are widely enough known, or taken seriously. As I learned more, I tried to stick only to "ethical" porn, found the amount lacking or the ethics unverifiable, then gave it up altogether. I still enjoy "erotica" but that's a subjective distinction of course.

        •  the porn "industry" is dying... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... and being replaced by amateur productions.  X-tube and similar user-generated sites will eventually take over, and the big-money professional porn studios will close shop.

          With less middle-men (porn marketers, producers, industry folk) between the consumer and producer, a more equitable and less exploitative paradigm will result.  

          Money should go directly to an actor's/actress's website paypal account.  Who needs videos stores, plastic DVDs, and all the industry bullshit getting in the middle of things.

          •  I don't think so (1+ / 0-)
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            Online sites like Bangbros, Naughty America, and Reality Kings will do just fine, I believe. I pay them money, because I like the consistency of video quality (HD now, is X-tube HD?) and the many new, very attractive newcomers they constantly introduce us too.

            I do like some mom/pop sites, like Pornfidelity, don't get me wrong. But, no, I don't think amateur is the way of the future.

            Lamentablemente, por ahora, los objetivos que nos planteamos no fueron logrados en la ciudad capital. - Hugo Chávez, 1992

            by Anak on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 08:13:15 PM PDT

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          •  Btw (1+ / 0-)
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            I have personally taken HD 1080p videos with my new little Canon Elph of me y mis amantes, and, yes, the quality is amazing! So, I can see amatuer sites really benefiting from this new step in vid quality (again, my vids look way better than anything available 8 years ago, except for the fact that I am an ugly shmuck... ;) Jk.)

            Lamentablemente, por ahora, los objetivos que nos planteamos no fueron logrados en la ciudad capital. - Hugo Chávez, 1992

            by Anak on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 08:22:35 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, and do research on snuff porn. (0+ / 0-)

        That stuff is beyond obscene; it kills women and men. It's alive and well unfortunately.

        Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

        by orlbucfan on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 01:03:04 PM PDT

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        •  You'll have to prove that. (5+ / 0-)

          Snuff porn is an urban legend.  People will make porn simulating death, but there is no evidence that supports the existence of real snuff films.

          Even so, murder is clearly illegal and thus snuff films have no bearing on a debate about the effects of legal pornagraphy.

          •  BS. Snuff porn is for real. I saw some of it. (0+ / 0-)

            It was big time over in SE Asia and other areas back in the 1980s. It  is certainly alive and well now--worse than cancer.

            Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

            by orlbucfan on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 06:40:54 PM PDT

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            •  Your assertion is not evidence. (2+ / 0-)
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              Anak, kalmoth

              http://www.snopes.com/...
              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              Again, what you saw was almost certainly someone simulating a murder, as that can be done easily and convincingly without actually killing someone.  

              There is no evidence that some sort of snuff film industry exists at all, much less that it's "worse than cancer," which is one of the most hysterically overdramatic and false claims imaginable.  Cancer kills millions per year.  To date, there's no evidence of anyone being killed solely for the purposes of making a pornographic video.

            •  Wow, at first I thought your comment (2+ / 0-)
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              kalmoth, Boris Godunov

              was snark!

              No, it's an urban legend. Either that or you easily swayed that any image you see is an image of reality. It is not alive and well now. If it were, you'd present some evidence, instead of referring to the past and whatever you saw in SE Asia.

              And as a SE Asian myself, I sorta take offense to your aspersions on us. Show some proof, ok?

              Lamentablemente, por ahora, los objetivos que nos planteamos no fueron logrados en la ciudad capital. - Hugo Chávez, 1992

              by Anak on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 08:09:03 PM PDT

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    •  What qualifications do you have (7+ / 0-)

      to make claims about how it affects society and your assertions about rape?

      Because qualified people who have actually studied the issue probably won't agree with your conclusions.

      And I hope you won't be relying on cherry-picked data from religious/moral puritan groups, if that's indeed not what you consider yourself.

      It's not a question of feeling "attacked" by your post, it's that you made an outrageously untrue claim based on your feelings, not facts.

    •  If you were thinking of doing a diary on (1+ / 0-)
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      what contributes to "rape culture," I think armies -- historically -- deserve consideration as a point of departure, more specifically, conquering armies and triumphant armies, whose overall conduct to the fallen oppositision was often brutal and included rape.  

      IMO "pornography" is not a departure point.  There are Edvard Munch paintings which are masterworks which would not pass muster against some U.S. states' porn laws.  

      If you do that diary, I think the wide range of views of the therapeutic community might serve well.  The evidence that "pornography" causes rape is thin at best and IMO a poor point-to-point consideration.  

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