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  •  Hopefully, he (8+ / 0-)

    will have finished evolving by November. I really think coming out in opposition to an amendment like that in a state like that is a good sign as to where his evolution is headed.

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    by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:21:30 AM PDT

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    •  My projection is around January 21, 2013. eom (3+ / 0-)

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:29:16 AM PDT

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      •  no that fast (3+ / 0-)
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        He would have to wait an appropriate period of time,sort of like a widow dating again.

      •  I would have thought so (2+ / 0-)
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        but the past month or so has been weird. There's the effort to get the equality plank added to the platform, which may or may not happen. It seems to be putting a lot of pressure on the president and other Dems.

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        by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:36:14 AM PDT

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        •  There's a lot of pressure, and I would (3+ / 0-)

          imagine we'll get the nudge, nudge, wink wink and an attempt at dog whistles.

          But, from a tactical point of view, the arithmetic in Chicago will still be that anyone who supports marriage equality is unlikely to defect to R-Money/Santorum.  

          Kind of like W in 2004 in reverse.

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          by Geekesque on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:41:29 AM PDT

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          •  but putting it on the platform (0+ / 0-)

            would incite the GOP base to actually go vote and really mess us up downticket.

            Never forget that the Republican War on Women originated with religion; the GOP is but theocracy's handmaiden.

            by Cedwyn on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:05:43 AM PDT

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            •  Having Obama on the ballot... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...will incite the GOP base to actually go vote.

              The difference with Romney is that he won't incite the GOP base to do anything more than that for him.

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              by JamesGG on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:24:11 AM PDT

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            •  Well then putting (3+ / 0-)
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              a pro choice plank is too dangerous to do as well, yeah?

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              by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:26:52 AM PDT

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              •  Apples and organges. In a perfect world, it would (1+ / 0-)
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                be great to see a gay marriage plank  in the platform.  The reality is the country is not ready for that yet and this election is too important to risk for a symbolic action.

                •  Have you seen (1+ / 0-)
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                  the current anti-women legislation that keeps getting passed all across the country? It could be argued that suggests we aren't ready for full equality for women, as well.

                  Of course, that's a silly argument.

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                  by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:52:26 AM PDT

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                  •  Actually, full rights for GLBT citizens (3+ / 0-)
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                    is probably less controversial than abortion at this point, making that argument even less persuasive.

                    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                    by Geekesque on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 12:05:29 PM PDT

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                  •  You might think it's silly, but it's realistic. (2+ / 0-)
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                    A lot of things that happen in politics don't make sense, and this is one of them.

                    The President is facing a tough re-election battle this year, and swing states are critical.  Better to win the election and have the President come out for gay marriage in his second term than to make the announcement prematurely and lose the election.

                •  If you really think any election will be won (1+ / 0-)
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                  or lost on this party platform plank (ignoring the fact that the party platform ALREADY calls for DOMA's repeal, something that we effectively create marriage equality at the federal level), then I have a bridge to sell you.

                  People don't care about the party platform.  And those that feel that strongly about it are never voting Democratic anyway.

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                  by AUBoy2007 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 12:22:56 PM PDT

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                  •  It could have an impact if the platform calls for (0+ / 0-)

                    gay marriage while Obama still opposes it (publicly at least).  That's a conflict that is only going to hurt Obama in the election, not help him.

            •  They're not worried about that. (3+ / 0-)

              They're worried about blue collar social conservative whites and evangelical Latinos and African-Americans.

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 12:04:12 PM PDT

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    •  I hope so, but I will add that he didn't say (1+ / 0-)
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      anything while the polling was predicting a close vote. He waited until after recent polling showed a decisive drop in support for it. (Support is now at 38%.)

      •  I have mixed feelings. (3+ / 0-)
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        I think piling on when support is dropping is an interesting strategy.

        But I also think Democrats should oppose these things early and often.

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        by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:41:08 AM PDT

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      •  It's best to wait until after November 2nd. (1+ / 0-)
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        Having Obama make a strong statement in favor of gay marriage is important, but not important enough to risk losing the election.

        •  How many people will vote for Obama, (1+ / 0-)
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          who calls for the repeal of DOMA, but won't if he calls for marriage equality?  You really think the numbers are that high?  Enough to swing an election?

          I doubt it.

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          by AUBoy2007 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 12:25:35 PM PDT

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          •  Swing an election? Why do you think they call them (0+ / 0-)

            swing states?  There's no benefit to Obama or the Party making such a bold symbolic move before the election.  Say it's a state level issue for now, then make it a national issue in  his second term (once that is secured).

      •  That's only one poll. They have been all over the (2+ / 0-)
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        place.  Six weeks ago one poll had support at 56%.  So it's a little unfair to imply (if you are) that the President is only taking a stand because there is no downside to it for him.  Support for it has gone as high as 60% and Obama is counting on the illusive "independent" to carry the State.  The same argument that he could just not openly support it because those opposed aren't likely to vote for Romeny or Santorum anyway cuts both ways.  He's much more likely to offend the conservative but somewhat rational independent by taking a stand on it than by not doing anything.

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        by stellaluna on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:52:24 AM PDT

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    •  This is a very good sign in this State. (2+ / 0-)
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      It is an indication that the President is willing to stand a stand.  Though support for the Amendment has diminished recently, there have been quite a few polls, including some as late as January showing that more than a majority of those polled were in favor of it.  The President's willingness to take a stand should be commended as it isn't clear this is an automatic "winner" for him.  

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      by stellaluna on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:43:47 AM PDT

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