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  •  I beg to differ. We must call bullshit. (10+ / 0-)

    No one actually believes that a first-trimester embryo/fetus has full moral personhood. We have all kinds of cultural behaviors related to the distinctions between persons and non-person entities.

    We name people. We have kinship terms for them to describe how they relate to us: son, daughter, sister, brother, niece, nephew. When they die, we memorialize them in some formal way. They have civic presence-- legal recognition in the form of birth certificates, Social Security numbers, etc. They are treated as having inherent worth; they cannot be used as material for someone else's purposes.

    There are some entities that exist on the boundaries of personhood, like pets: Most people name pets and many memorialize them when they die. Some feel that their pets are part of the family. Pets have some civic presence in areas where owners are required to license them. The same animal could be a pet one day, though, and "stuff" in a research lab the next.

    Corpses are boundary cases, too. Definitely not people, but issues of autonomy still pertain.

    A first-trimester embryo/fetus is even more liminal than those.  Nobody holds a public memorial service for an embryo. You will never read an obituary for one in your local newspaper. In every single state, products of conception from before about midway through pregnancy can be treated as either medical waste or as human remains, depending on the preference of the woman whose body produced them.

    It's just bullshit for anyone to claim that they "believe" an embryo is a person. They only make that claim in reference to preventing women from having abortions. It fails to manifest in any other way people relate to a first-trimester conceptus.

    •  I think sexism also plays a roll. (0+ / 0-)

      Women are often more willing to stay with abusive husbands and be less aggressive in their careers when they are pregnant. Women who choose fertility are very threatening to patriarchy.

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