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  •  Whose favor, Cedwyn? (20+ / 0-)

    Do you have a need to avail yourself of any of those services?
     Guess what? Be in Pa and just try to get medicaid. We used to have a thing called Adult Basic, but that's gone.

     You been to the clinic? Where is the closest one to you? Ours are few and far between and limited in their services.

     Did you mean PEC pool plan? What if you don't have a PEC? Just go fuck off and hope you stay healthy until they mandate you buy insurance you can't afford to use?

     You speak with the smug ignorance of someone who is not watching the people you love seek help and get shit and shoved in it.

    Yeah, tout yer happy crappy to somebody who benefits in some way instead of somebody who is dealing with the absolute harshest of the reality of watching a good portion of my family do without health care.

    They can't throw my autistic son off MA and I have my older son on CHIP, but I watch my over stressed and out of work husband try to hide his symptoms from me...because I will want him to go to the ER and say "fuck those bills, you matter more." but he won't--because if it's not a fucking heart attack--they won't try to get him MA and we'll be FUCKED!

    Do you have any fucking clue how that feels?

    Our favor...what a load of shit.

    I shave my legs with Occam's razor.

    by triv33 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 12:55:11 PM PDT

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    •  you misunderstood.... (5+ / 0-)
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      It works in your favor if you are trying to win an election. Not so much if you are trying to get your husband to the doctor.

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

      by kareylou on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 02:23:24 PM PDT

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      •  That's about the size of it (7+ / 0-)

        But Obama had better hope that people don't wake up to the truth. That being that he HAD THE CHANCE, the maybe once-in-our-lifetime chance, to make massive, game-changing improvements to the system. If ever we had a chance of getting Single Payer done, it was during the HCR debate. Had Barack Obama pushed 24/7, using his "bully pulpit", the demand for Single Payer from the American people would have become so loud that no amount of lobbyists could have stopped it.

        But Barack Obama did not do that. Not because "the votes weren't there" or any of the other lies he and others spouted. But rather because he did not WANT Single Payer. We. Were. Sold. Out.

        "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

        by ratmach on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 02:58:59 PM PDT

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    •  why so vitriolic? (0+ / 0-)

      i said less availability of EPI would create increased demand for alternative, i.e. government, options.  demand drives changes.

      i also said that we need to get away from this notion that EPI is the way it's supposed to be.

      do you actually disagree with either of those statements, unfortunate current realities aside?

      Never forget that the Republican War on Women originated with religion; the GOP is but theocracy's handmaiden.

      by Cedwyn on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:11:22 PM PDT

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      •  You said that depriving people of health care (2+ / 0-)
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        was a good thing.

        It's not the first time you've said it.

        Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

        by JesseCW on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:22:39 PM PDT

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        •  bullshit i said that (0+ / 0-)

          stop making things up

          Never forget that the Republican War on Women originated with religion; the GOP is but theocracy's handmaiden.

          by Cedwyn on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:33:15 PM PDT

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          •  You sure as hell did. You claimed that people (3+ / 0-)
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            losing their coverage was great thing because it would "create pressure to reform the system".

            I understand you hate being called on it, but that's exactly what your claims boil down to - an argument that it's a good thing someone can't get their cataracts treated.

            I finally understand your reason for appearing in every diary Eve or Slink writes, and the reason for your impassioned argument for dropping the fight for the Public Option.

            You think fewer people with access to care a good thing.

            Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

            by JesseCW on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:51:40 PM PDT

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            •  i never said it was great (0+ / 0-)

              see, that's the thing:  recognizing reality for what it is is not the same thing as endorsing it.

              we are where we are and systems do what they do.

              weren't you all up on the kill the bill bandwagon because then we'd just HAVE to have stronger reform?

               

              Never forget that the Republican War on Women originated with religion; the GOP is but theocracy's handmaiden.

              by Cedwyn on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:56:28 PM PDT

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              •  If you'd ever bothered to listen (2+ / 0-)
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                to any of the arguments put forth by those of us who opposed the effort to punish struggling workers in order to benefit wealthy shareholders, you wouldn't have asked that question.

                Fewer people with access to health care isn't the path to Single Payer and/or Universal Coverage.

                Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

                by JesseCW on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 08:21:58 PM PDT

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      •  the real question here is (3+ / 0-)
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        why so damn nonchalant in the face of millions suffering? I can't put "unfortunate current realities" aside--they're not talking points to me, Cedwyn--they are my actual realities.

        And, yeah...you may not have put it in those exact words, but you are saying that people being deprived of health care is a good thing.

        i said less availability of EPI would create increased demand for alternative, i.e. government, options.  demand drives changes.
        Less availability of EPI would create increased demand...

        why? why would they be demanding something they aren't deprived of, Cedwyn? who will be driving this big demand if it isn't people who are being deprived of it? Open your damned eyes.

        I shave my legs with Occam's razor.

        by triv33 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 07:55:38 PM PDT

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        •  nothing i said even remotely approaches (0+ / 0-)

          it would be a good thing.

          i placed no value judgement on any element of the equation.  i merely pointed out a simple truth about systems.  they tend to have tipping points.

          but i'll point out again that i am not talking about EPI just disappearing overnight.

          and don't you think that maybe less EPI would increase the ranks of the individual policy pools, shifting the cost advantage to that group?  

          why do you assume diminishing EPI automatically equals people with just no coverage?

          Never forget that the Republican War on Women originated with religion; the GOP is but theocracy's handmaiden.

          by Cedwyn on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 08:03:27 PM PDT

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          •  Are you honestly that lacking (1+ / 0-)
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            in self awareness? Do you not see how cold and uncaring your comments are here?

            I assume nothing beyond what is evident on it's face. People have tried to convey to you the harsh realities they are facing and they are met with a blase' and seemingly single minded attempt to brush that aside as if it were of no importance at all.

            I can't be that that coldly clinical for the sake of partisan politics. It's corrosive to my humanity.

            I do put a value judgement on the human cost, something you don't even seem to want to take into account.

            I shave my legs with Occam's razor.

            by triv33 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 08:38:01 PM PDT

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