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  •  The Episcopal Church also teaches that Bishops (20+ / 0-)

    are successors of the apostles. The difference is that our Bishops are elected both by the people and the clergy (in that there election must be ratified by the House of Bishops--in only ONE case in the history of the Episcopal Church has a Bishop elected by the people been rejected by the HoB, it was in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and it was a catfight over churchmanship: the Bishop-elect was accused by ideological enemies in the House of being "too Catholic"). It's kind of like a nominating convention, but truly democratic.

    Also, a goodly number of our Bishops are women, one of them is gay, and one of them is a lesbian.

    I prefer our model to Rome's to be sure. That's partly why I left the RC church.

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    by commonmass on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 10:11:21 AM PDT

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    •  At one time (4+ / 0-)
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      most of the Christians elected their bishops. The person elected did not even have to be a priest although I believe those who accepted did become priests.

      A story told twice is fiction. - Dorothy Parker

      by nomorerepukes on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 04:49:22 PM PDT

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      •  Ambrose of Milan (3+ / 0-)
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        was elected bishop of his diocese, and he wasn't even a Christian yet.  He was a governor, and he did such a great job of running his province, the Christians wanted him for their own.  The legend goes, he actually ran away, but the crowd hunted him down, baptized him and stuffed a mitre on his head.

        Probably not true - and he had beliefs I seriously disagree with - but it sure makes a good story.

    •  In communion or excommunicated (11+ / 0-)

      Yes, I belong to an Episcopal Church now, but like the diarist, I have a Roman Catholic background, even a Chicago Roman Catholic background. Various members of my family still practice the old religion.

      And while I find the patriarchalism of the Church to be deeply offensive, I still consider myself in communion-- i.e., I take communion at the Eucharist when there is a reason for me to be at Mass, as occurred twice in the past year: my mother's funeral and a wedding in the family.

      No doubt the church hierarchy would consider me excommunicated many times over. But that kind of thing just doesn't come up in ordinary situations.

      And despite my dislike of the patriarchy, I nonetheless respect the many priests who live lives of genuine service to their congregations.

      But for myself after a wide and often preposterous spiritual journey I found a home in an Episcopal congregation here in San Francisco. It offers so much that is familiar to me from my upbringing, but all in a much more congenial context. We have lots of women clergy and I wouldn't have it any other way.

      "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

      by Demi Moaned on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 05:49:23 PM PDT

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