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  •  Stockholm Syndrome (6+ / 0-)
    In psychology, Stockholm Syndrome is an apparently paradoxical psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them.
    That is about as close as I can get to explaining it. Of course I am looking in from the outside. But at the age of 13 (I'm 70 now) I said "No" at a church camp that demanded that I beg to be saved and that I publicly take Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior.

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

    by Jane Lew on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 11:39:38 AM PDT

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      I don't get that in this case it is Stockholm syndrome.  I don't think the average Catholic that I know empathizes with or defends the institution.  They literally think of the institution as a completely separate thing from what they're involved with.  

      Like I said, they just do their thing and try to avoid it as much as possible.  It's really pretty clear how vile it is structurally, they just take what's good in it and ignore the rest.

    •  The difference between Stockholm Syndrome and (1+ / 0-)
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      this is that support of the Catholic Church is socially and politically destructive to so many people worldwide.

      Imagine politics without the Catholic Church's influence?

      This, too, shall pass. Just like the last global ecological cataclysm. C'est la vie, dude. Take a chill pill, recite the serenity prayer, go with the flow and the moderates into that "goodnight".

      by Words In Action on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:24:06 PM PDT

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      •  Wait (1+ / 0-)
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        Are you saying that my beliefs as described in this diary are socially and politically destructive to people worldwide?  Please show the evidence of it if so.

        •  I am saying that the Church is a socially and (1+ / 0-)
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          politically destructive institution, which is incredibly powerful. I am also saying that people who support the church, for these reasons, are supporting the war on women, among other things. For the same reason that Republican women support the Republican War on Women.

          We need to be more conscious and responsible about the practical moral implications of our actions. By that I mean the impact of our actions on other people.

          This, too, shall pass. Just like the last global ecological cataclysm. C'est la vie, dude. Take a chill pill, recite the serenity prayer, go with the flow and the moderates into that "goodnight".

          by Words In Action on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:37:06 PM PDT

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          •  Did you get (1+ / 0-)
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            the sense from this diary that I wasn't clear on that?  I thought I made that dichotomy very clear, as well as my rejection of the church doctrine and particularly the hierarchy.  Did I not?

            •  I sensed ambivalence or at least ambiguity (2+ / 0-)
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              when you said that my comment made sense "from the outside".

              I consider myself an insider in so much as I was raised Catholic, was an altar boy, was married in the Catholic Church and have visited Cathedrals across Europe and the Vatican three times.

              I dont' consider for one moment, however, that this personal history and experience would justify support of this church, which, as you acknowledge, is so abhorrent, through personal involvement.

              Maybe we agree, but I sensed a difference.

              This, too, shall pass. Just like the last global ecological cataclysm. C'est la vie, dude. Take a chill pill, recite the serenity prayer, go with the flow and the moderates into that "goodnight".

              by Words In Action on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 08:15:45 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, I see (4+ / 0-)
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                Yes I assumed you were not raised Catholic.  I haven't been to the Vatican or anything like that.   I never gave a shit about any of that for a minute.  I would go to cathedrals for art and architecture, but that's about it.

                I guess ultimately a lot of people never have the sense of cultural inheritance that I have, in terms of being aware of the energy of one's ancestors.  In that case, yes, I would probably feel the same way you do.

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