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  •  I don't think it matters if I stay (7+ / 0-)

    or not.  I don't think staying shows any support for the sin the hierarchy has and is perpetrating.  It is very true what you said about people staying for other reasons.  It is ok for one to just ignore the leader's evil and carry on with their immediate concerns because worship and spirituality is about community and God. It isn't about the Church.  Those people are pretty far removed from my parish and what happens.  We are small and get lots done in our area to alleviate poverty etc.  If the Church shut down tomorrow we would continue as a community and that is the essence of the Church not the hierarchy.  For me, I know what I know and I cannot in good conscience continue to be in communion with it.  I can't hide behind my own selfish motives anymore.  It just isn't working and the grief and anxiety that I feel because I may be contributing is too much for me.  

    And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

    by tobendaro on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 12:30:25 PM PDT

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    •  I could not do that. (8+ / 0-)
      It is ok for one to just ignore the leader's evil and carry on with their immediate concerns because worship and spirituality is about community and God. It isn't about the Church.
      My sense of integrity would be violated if I stayed in a group that had evil/hypocritical leaders to such a public
      degree that Catholic bishops have.

      But that is just where I am at, others have different opinions, obviously.

      •  Though as someone points out below (16+ / 0-)

        we could make an interesting analogy with citizenship.   Most of us specifically profess a sense of loyalty and affection to the USA, despite knowledge that many, many crimes have been committed by it, and on a grand scale too.   Secret wars and puppet dictators and disaster capitalism ad nauseum.  

        Yet we are able to deplore those evils while fixing our thoughts on certain goods which also exist.  And it mainly our familiarity, our belongness, our heritage, our TRIBAL affiliation which tips the balance and allows us to keep that rosy view.  

        I'm not a believer in any church.  But I think it's an interesting debate.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 05:32:14 PM PDT

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