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  •  tithes, taxes? (3+ / 0-)
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    714day, marykk, martini

    Some proportion of your taxes (and mine) paid for the gun Sgt.  Robert Bales used to shoot those bullets (that I helped pay for) into civilians in Afghanistan.

    Agents of the US government are enabled to do these things by the implicit support of US taxpayers to the same degree that agents of the Catholic church are enabled by those who tithe to it.

    "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

    by efraker on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:27:43 PM PDT

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    •  it's the law to pay taxes (0+ / 0-)

      it is not the law to tithe.  and sgt. robert bales is being brought to justice--through that tax money you just poo-poohed.  how many of those child-molesting priests have faced trial?  how many of them, instead, were shuffled around by the catholic church so they could molest again?  how many were hidden with the money received by tithes?

      •  so morality is superseded by legality? (0+ / 0-)

        So whether or not you and I and all other US citizens helped Sgt. Robert Bales massacre to occur through our tax dollars is mitigated, you believe, by the fact that we were required to support this act by the law?

        Does law always trump morality to you, or just in funding the massacre of women and children?

        You're right that some priests were protected from the consequences of their actions through the use of tithes and the Catholic hierarchy (though not all were) - its also true that agents of the US government have committed war crimes and been protected by the tax dollars we pay.

        So you think everyone who funds an institution shares collective responsibility? I believe otherwise, that we should hold individuals responsible for their actions. That war criminals and child-molesting priests should pay for their crimes, along with the people who conceal them.

        If you believe that Catholics are responsible for the actions of those who benefit from their tithes... then by extension, if your babysitter molests your child, you are personally responsible for your child being molested for having paid that babysitter in the past.

        "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

        by efraker on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:49:56 PM PDT

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        •  no.... (0+ / 0-)

          paying the babysitter does not enable them to commit crimes--if they did so, they chose to do so.  what i am saying is that, for the majority of catholic pedophile priests, the catholic church used tithe money to cover up the crimes.  my "paying the babysitter" is not covering up the crime, and if i were told about it, you damn well bet the babysitter would be arrested for that crime--NOT HIDDEN AWAY TO MOLEST AGAIN.  

          you're right--agents of the us government have done bad things.  but a lot of those bad things have been uncovered, and people are fighting to change how the government does things to ensure that the future is better than the past--including electing officials who are willing to fight against those bad things.  do you see the catholic hierarchy fighting to change their stance on child molestation?  no, they fight to cover it up.  

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