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  •  Need help unerstanding a Catholic policy thing. (0+ / 0-)

    Do Catholic hospitals get federal money?  if they felt a moral obligation to not provide insurance that covers birth control, what are the reasoned and sane arguments against that notion?

    thanks!

    •  1) yes; and (1+ / 0-)
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      2) it's a very long story, going back to the thirties and en encyclical called Casti Connubi, and then the post Vatican II discussions prior to Humanae Vitae.  The "reasoned" part has to do with "but if we said we were wrong, what about all those people we sent to hell?"  I make no defense of it, nor of a claim to sanity.  It's a theological "angels on the head of a pin" problem.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:40:50 PM PDT

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    •  yes, they do receive federal money (1+ / 0-)
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      Most Catholic hospitals do perform procedures they find morally objectionable, but it hasn't always been an easy road.

      In '72 it took an injunction by a U.S. District Court to require a Catholic hospital to permit a physician to perform a tubal ligation.

      Private hospitals are protected from being compelled to perform abortions if they choose not to under the Church Amendment.

      Most private hospitals and pharmacies which will not provide birth control/abortions/sterilization will provide a referral to someone who will. If FOCA is reintroduced and becomes law, this would be mandatory.

      "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

      by efraker on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:44:37 PM PDT

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    •  Simple answer (1+ / 0-)
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      To almost any Catholic policy question:

      Special dispensation.  My friend (let's call her Vickie, not her name) Vickie's uncle was a priest.  He was constantly being invited to fancy restaurants, receiving lavish gifts, etc., because everybody wants to have a priest on speed dial when they need permission to break a rule.

      When Vickie's dad dumped her mom for his secretary they had been married I think at least 30 years and had two kids.  Vickie's mom -- who was a professional astrologer doing a really unique sort of mystical astrology -- got an annulment through her brother.  Of course consummating a marriage is one of the deal-breakers for that.  That's why special dispensation is so popular.

      In other words, the men in dresses make up rules as they go along.

      •  My wording was off, but your answer (0+ / 0-)

        is helpful!

        Let me try again ... what are the sane arguments AGAINST the catholic hospital desire to deny birth control to employees?  One is federal money they take in.  Are there any other arguments?

        Thanks!!!

        •  Sure (2+ / 0-)
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          They're big fat self-serving hypocrites with control issues.

          Seriously, the number of Catholics in America who refrain from birth control is minimal.  Even in Ireland and places where people toe the line bigtime, more and more people just do what they want.

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