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  •  But Obama Did Say Energy Prices Will Skyrocket (1+ / 0-)
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    sowsearsoup

    And this is why the media isn't calling bullshit:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Now, it's important to note that Obama is talking in terms of his cap and trade policy, which was blocked in the Senate.

    However, Republicans are arguing - with at least some justification - that the EPA and the executive branch has by administrative action implemented some of the regulations under its Clean Air Act authority that would have occurred under cap and trade.

    Whether the EPA and other regulations have at all increased energy prices I can't say. I do know carbon dioxide was declared to be a toxin and large emitters are subject to
    EPA rule making now, but whether any rules have been implemented is something I don't know.

    Anyhow, as much as Mitt lies, this is a case where Obama kind of said something almost like what the .republicans are implying. I've heard the Energy Secretary has said and written much worse about the need to raise fossil fuel prices.

    So I don't think the media is quite so quick to call bullshit here because there's arguably significant elements of truth to the statements.

    •  So your point is that if they take something out (4+ / 0-)
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      of context, distort it, etc. they can make it sound like the truth? Sorry, but that's a load of horseshit. And Mitt and the media need to be made accountable for it.

      "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

      From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

      by ontheleftcoast on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 10:09:43 AM PDT

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      •  It's not that out of context (0+ / 0-)

        Mitt said Obama "wanted to see gasoline price go up." The truth is Obama actually said "electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket... Whether you're talking about coal or natural gas or any of the greenhouse" gas emitters.

        Clearly Obama was talking about the effect of his plans on the nations' power grid, but even in that context rising electricity rates would increase gas prices.

        So yes, Mitt shifted from electricity to gas, and that's a distortion. On the other hand, I don't think Obama talking about rising electricity rates is helpful either, and the two are related, of course.

        I'm just trying to be fair - by the usual standards of politics these days, Mitt's statement is something of a half-truth.

        •  Again, you're selling Mitt's view (2+ / 0-)
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          Obama doesn't want gas prices to rise, he wants to stop killing the planet. Gas prices might rise because of his policies but he doesn't want it, he just realizes it might be unavoidable. Stop using Republican framing.

          "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

          From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

          by ontheleftcoast on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 10:27:42 AM PDT

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          •  I know I'm using Republican framing (0+ / 0-)

            Because Mitt's going to run attack ads with the clip I linked to. And we might say Mitt is a big fat liar, but independent voters who look at that clip, many of them, will agree with Mitt's framing of the issue.

            I just don't think it helps to say "Mitt's lying again" when that won't work come election time. In 2008, the issue didn't matter because the economic free-fall wiped out high gas prices. In 2012, it will, so Obama better have a damn good response ready to rising gas prices and his previous cap and trade statements - it's the only issue that could cost him the election.

            •  Add never mind most, if not all, of the rise (0+ / 0-)

              in gas prices are from speculation and foreign demand for gas. Obama will never answer the critics and haters to their sastifaction. Your concern about it is noted.

              "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

              From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

              by ontheleftcoast on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 10:45:50 AM PDT

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    •  You sound like you work for Politifact. (2+ / 0-)
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      It could kinda, sorta be true if we spin it enough times and take one Obama statement made 3 years ago and out of context and  apply it to this Romney statment about something completely different.

      Then, it isn't really a lie anymore.  See?

      “Tax and Spend” I can understand. I can even understand “Borrow and Spend”. But “Borrow and Give Tax Cuts to Billionaires”? That I have a problem with.

      by LiberalCanuck on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 10:44:27 AM PDT

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      •  I'm just imagining the attack ad/response (0+ / 0-)

        Mitt is 100% going to use that clip to justify his statement that Obama campaigned on higher energy prices. And to my mind, I think many independent voters will buy it if Obama doesn't have a good response ready.

        Now, the response so far out of the White House has been to throw up their hands and say they can't do anything, gas prices are what they are. I honestly think, partisan as I am, that's a giant political loser.

        Obama can release strategic reserves, he can convene a Justice Department Task Force on energy speculation, he can have DoJ investigate anti-competitive behavior in the refining industry. They could try and support the dollar. On the political front, it'd be nice if there was some report explaining the causes of rising gas prices and showing they aren't related to any new EPA or DoE regulations.

        Anyhow, if Mitt runs that ad big time in the fall and gas prices are still $4+ a gallon, what's Obama's response? Saying that Mitt's just lying doesn't, to my mind, seem like a political winner. The clip is persuasive if there's not a damn good pushback that Obama doesn't actually want higher oil prices.

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