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  •  I have zero clue (22+ / 0-)

    how the Stand Your Ground law applies in this case.  Martin did not initiate anything against Zimmerman -- Zimmerman had no family or himself to protect.  Even in his racist delusional mind thinking (making up) Martin was acting funny -- aka, black in a white neighborhood -- Martin was not a threat to him.  He was told not to follow -- he was in a fucking truck.  He stalked Martin then murdered him.  

    This idiotic law is a gnat -- not a major roadblock in the hands of a good prosecutor.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 06:44:57 AM PDT

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    •  Suggest (0+ / 0-)

      Then You actually watch the video or read the transcript before spouting off, you surely aren't showing much in common sense nor critical thought, oh and go read the law as well!!

      Example of is given, shooter shoots at another the other returns fire, both having legal permits, return fire kills an innocent, one returning claims self defense, doesn't matter if bullet hits innocent bystander the second shooter was defending him/herself from the first, and these are happening everyday where these types of laws have been enacted, cases thrown out!!!!!!!!!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:04:10 AM PDT

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    •  Forgot (0+ / 0-)

      These laws, like that one, don't have those written in, a bystander becomes collateral damage of the defending done as to the result of that second bullet, think war and innocents of!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:07:26 AM PDT

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    •  In This Tragic Incident (0+ / 0-)

      All this nutbag so called neighborhood self appointed watch dog needs say, and apparently he is, in his defense is that he thought the kid was pulling out or holding a weapon and he shot in self defense, case closed, no witnesses to say otherwise!!!!

      It's like the bush with the pre-emptive strike policies, which frankly I'm surprised defense lawyers hadn't started using, that I've heard of, in defense cases of murders!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:14:08 AM PDT

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      •  You are wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        according to the law.  That is not all he needs to say.

        Now whether a white jury can be tricked into letting him off is another matter altogether, but as far as I can tell this has nothing to do with the stand-your-ground law.   There are tapes showing that Zimmerman pursued the boy and a witness talking to the boy at the time of the incident who can testify that he was trying to get away from the man who was following him.

    •  Because I don't even see how (4+ / 0-)

      "the law was followed." You can do and say whatever you want, but there still has to be an investigation and a collection of evidence. None of that occurred.

      "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

      by CFAmick on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:10:56 AM PDT

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    •  The law... (11+ / 0-)

      As I understand it and more importantly as the police interpret it is that deference is always given to the shooter.  It codifies, "I felt threatened, therefore I shot him."  It is really bad law.  And, cash strapped municipalities are afraid to prosecute these cases because they believe the will get sued if they do.  Nobody wants to be the first to challenge the law because of the money.  Not to mention, the NRA basically sponsored this legislation, so any challenge to it means challenging that cash cow.  If Zimmerman gets away with it, it basically means murder is legal in Florida.

      'Osama Bin Ladien is still dead and GM is still alive' - Joe Biden

      by RichM on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:20:12 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, the law in incredibly (5+ / 0-)

        malignant -- but in this specific case, there appears to be enough evidence that even this wild west approach can't stand up:

        1.  Martin was carry a drink and candy -- presumably in one hand while talking to his cousin on a cell phone with the other.  He mentioned being followed;

        2.  The murderer is recorded at length on 911 with rather damning revelations -- told not to follow -- does anyway.  

        I don't care how liberally this law is applied -- with these facts, thus far, it doesn't pass the smell test.

        Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:45:20 AM PDT

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        •  Was his cell phone in hand or was he using (0+ / 0-)

          Bluetooth? His cousin says Bluetooth, but who knows at this point.

          Some speculate that the cell was in his pocket or on his belt. When confronted by Killer Zimm, Trayvon may have reached down to get his phone from his pocket area. Then, BOOM. In the mind of paranoid delusional ultra conservative NW vigilante like Killer Zimm, that acion was enough (possibly) to warrant pulling the trigger.

          Also in the scuffle, if there was one, the Bluetooth may have been knocked out of Trayvons ear.

          Hoping Killer Zimm lives a long and terribly miserable life.

          "Refuse to believe in the Culture of Fear"-Thievery Corp.

          by A Runner on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:54:06 AM PDT

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