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  •  It totally missed it (0+ / 0-)

    I am the one who made the point in the first place, so I know what the point is. Someone above posted,incorrectly, that Zimmerman had a criminal record. In a purely legal sense, he doesn't. That's it. That's my point. I was merely pointing out a factual inaccuracy.  That's it.

    And this part is just bullshit:

    You're missing the point and your argument is, essentially, that absent an actual criminal conviction, the police had no reason to no reason to keep some modicum of an open mind about Zimmerman's story of "self-defense
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    I've made no such argument. I don't buy the self defense argument for a second and don't think the police have handled this well at all.  The past record or lack thereof isn't even relevant as to whether this is a valid self defense claim. A convicted serial killer, where he to get out of prison, would be allowed claim self defense if he killed someone under the appropriate circumstances and someone who had never hurt the proverbial fly should go to jail if they killed someone and the circumstances show that self-defense was not involved.
    •  I Understand "Relevance" (0+ / 0-)

      Being a lawyer at all.  We don't agree about that.  And I gave you my interpretation of your insistence about his lack of a criminal record creating some form of an excuse just fine, by telling you what I believe your argument essentially is.  If that is not what in fact you are arguing, you can just say so.

      Or you can take the low road and just call what I said bullshit if you like, as you in fact did.  No worries.

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      by shanikka on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:27:09 PM PDT

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      •  Again (0+ / 0-)

         I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I am not claiming that Zimmerman's record, such as it was, excuses anything. What part of "Is not an excuse" do you not understand? I am just pointing out that from a purely legal standpoint, he did not have a criminal  record. As a lawyer, surely you can appreciate the difference between a conviction and an arrest followed by a dismissal and a civil retraining order. None of this excuses either what Zimmerman did or how the police handled the matter subsequently. Both need to be investigated and if Zimmerman is not charged with murder, there's a huge problem. Heads probably need to roll in the police department as well.

           Unless you can read minds, and as far as I can recall, they don't teach this in law school, only I can know what my point is. MY point, is simply to correct the factual record here. That's it. If you are so concerned about "the low road", why not try staying off of it yourself and arguing honestly and not  attributing false arguments to me. This is the kind of thing that can get a lawyer sanctioned, if done in a pleading.

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