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  •  Because it is particularly poignant here (5+ / 0-)

    what is a bad practice done to the traditionally powerless is even worse.  Insult to injury here.

    •  so even though every free speech area (2+ / 0-)
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      is caged in it's more poignant to highlight that here...got it.

      I guess I just expect this type of tactic from those trying to defeat the President. Like these guys (from a quick google search)

      http://www.sodahead.com/...

      “There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.”-Freya Stark

      by in2mixin on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:24:24 AM PDT

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      •  That's pretty much HR worthy (2+ / 0-)
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        joe shikspack, Betty Pinson

        Here's a clue:  caging has never been o.k. and people who go for IOKIYABO really do show that they are more interested in celebrity status than any political principles.  That's absolutely disgusting.

        If you think that accusing people of being like racist CT types is going to go unremarked, you are absolutely wrong.

        done.

        •  everyone at a rally (2+ / 0-)
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          where the President is going to be is "caged". From the President to the attendees from the press to the protestors. Everything is caged off from each other. Should I have been complaining when I was caged in the "press cage" at Obama rallies?

          Not sure how I offended you so much, sorry.

          “There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.”-Freya Stark

          by in2mixin on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:38:24 AM PDT

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          •  Accepted! (2+ / 0-)
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            (apparenlty my comment didn' post at first)

            Thanks!  It was the link comparing me to racist wingnuts that didn't go over well.

            Anyway, moving on.  My understanding is that audiences and the press are not kept far away and behind fences.  I've never seen photos from any such rally that had the audience far away with the speaker speaking to an empty space (well, except for Romney's rally...).  Thus, protestors are treated differently.

            The complaint here is two fold.  At a larger level, this treatment, as well as the treatment of protestors generally in the US, is detrimental to free speech and democracy.  Protestors should be applauded, not beaten and shunted away.  The very act of doing so speaks volumes to the essentially anti democratic philosophy of much of the US.

            Here, the fact that it is native americans who are subjected to this simply underscores the project in a more rhetorically powerful way.  Much of political campaigning for change is in the optics.  Here, there are powerful optics, so we use them.

            At a more specific level, this has been a long standing problem in the US, but since Obama campaigned on 'change," each time his administration declines to change bad practices where he has the authority to do so, it leaves many feeling like a pledge has been broken in some small way.  Over time, they add up. it isn't about opposing Obama, it's about voicing frustration with each of Obama's specific failures to enact the change he campaigned on in those contexts where he has the authority to do so. (I doubt many seriously fault him for not getting more out of this insane congress.  At least, I don't.  In fact, it is entirely possible to fault him for his failures while still being supportive generally.  

          •  Like this? (3+ / 0-)
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            Link

            Somehow, I don't think everyone at a presidential speaking event is put in that kind of cage.

            •  pretty extreme example (2+ / 0-)
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              but once again, I don't like "free speech" zones. I just think it's unfair to accuse President Obama of willfully "caging" Native Americans.

               I have also worked Rage Against the Machine concerts (and many other huge live events) and sometimes precautions need to be taken considering the previous reactions for the attendees and protestors safety.  

              “There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.”-Freya Stark

              by in2mixin on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:28:48 AM PDT

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              •  I didn't make the accusation (3+ / 0-)
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                joe shikspack, poligirl, Damnit Janet

                Others have reported it, including Think Progress.  We'll have to wait until the protestors or others can post photos, as it seems unlikely the WH press pool would be allowed to photograph them.

                That's how "free speech zones" work - they're situated in remote locations so the news media has no access to them.

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