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  •  Weapon charges (1+ / 0-)
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    ehrenfeucht games

    I did not call you any names. It's not about grammar correction but about the name of a country and its people, some friends, that really get irked by the Columbian thing

    So as a medic you'll agree that a single  stabbing wound that lead to a fatality is a very low percentage.  

    •  So are shootings. (2+ / 0-)
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      theatre goon, ER Doc

      Shootings have less than a 10% fatality rate.  Not sure what the knife fatality rate is, I'll try to look it up.

      •  There is a difference though (0+ / 0-)

        When you mention shootings are you talking about impacts or just shoot outs?
        I can see that in all shoot out only 10% end in fatalities, but what is the relation to wounds.

        Then we could, if we had the data, check about calibers. On the edge/puncture weapons we could also look the sizes but because we are talking just about stabbings we have to disqualify a lot of edge weapons that cause slashing and impact wounds like machetes.
        Best stabbing weapon would be a short sword like the Roman gladii or a heavy spear, but we don't see many assaults with ancient weapons.

        •  Actual persons being shot. (1+ / 0-)
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          Iberian

          And I was off in in my stats.  I was going from a memory of approx. 100K firearms injuries/year, which is incorrect.

          According to the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/...

          Fatal Injury Reports

          Year - 2009
          Population - 307 million

          Firearm Unintentional - 554
          Firearm Violence related - 11,826 (does not include  suicides)
          Firearm Legal interventions - 333

          Cut/Pierce Unintentional - 125
          Cut/Pierce Violence related - 1,874 (does not include suicides)
          Cut/Pierce Legal interventions - 0

          Non-fatal Injury Reports

          Year - 2009
          Population - 307 million

          Firearms Unintentional - 18,610
          Total firearms injuries by violence - 48,158 (Includes criminal, defensive and self-harm)
          Assault only - 44,466
          Legal intervention - 679

          Cut/Pierce Unintentional - 1,997,752
          Total Cut/Pierce injuries by violence - 196,002 (Includes criminal, defensive and self-harm)
          Assault only - 103,778
          Legal intervention - 10,772

          So you seem to be correct in your basic assumption that intentional firearms injuries are more often fatal than intentional stab/cut injuries.  

          •  I thought so (1+ / 0-)
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            PavePusher

            knowing a little of the history of weapons and having been around ERs. Interestingly bullets also produce piercing wounds.

            The thing is most objects used in piercing attacks are really not designed to kill like small knifes, screwdrivers or scissors.

            Now if we were talking of past times and people carried real daggers and short swords I thinks the percentage of fatalities would grow.

            Also  most people have some kind of training with guns, and very little with knives.

            Thanks for the data

            •  You have some valid points there. (1+ / 0-)
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              Iberian

              I shall ponder.  Thanks!

            •  P.S. I wonder about how the cut/pierce stats (1+ / 0-)
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              Iberian

              would look if broken down by type.  For instance knives 2" and less, Knives 2-3.5 inches (approx. legal lengths for folding knives in many jurisdictions), knives 3.5-5" (common lengths for fixed-blade knives), knives +5", field vs. culinary, fixed vs. folding, scissors, picks, tubes, rods, etc.

              Fascinating, if gruesome, train of thought.

              There must be a study/stats compilation somewhere...

              •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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                PavePusher

                particularly to see a difference between piercing and slashing.For example katanas and other Japanese swords. Probably coroners have these type of data

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