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  •  Cow shares (22+ / 0-)

    That's how they're getting around the regulation where the sale of raw milk is prohibited.  Or they "join" a club where raw milk is one of the membership perks your dues buy.  There are also a number of states that still permit the sale of raw milk as well, and farmers are finding a niche market catering to the raw milk contingent.

    Having grown up around the stuff, I wouldn't touch anything that isn't pasteurized.  The irony is, they larger, mega "milking factories" are more likely to employ high-tech sanitation methods and monitor more closely for disease, etc. than the small operations with only a handful of cows.

    The argument I kept reading as I ran across raw milk sites while researching this was that the number of disease outbreaks traced to raw milk is low, but as other articles pointed out, raw milk only accounts for 1% of the market, so it can have a low total number of incidents, but still have (and apparently does have) a high rate of outbreaks.

    Thanks for reading and commenting, as always, marykk.

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    by dsteffen on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 02:47:59 PM PDT

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    •  a topic which touches on my own family history (16+ / 0-)

      in a couple ways:

      During the 1920s, my grandfather, who was an engineer for the C&NW stopped long distance runs so as to get home more often to the family.  Instead, he took the "milk run" to Harvard, which is still the terminal point of th Northwest line.  All of those towns along that line which are now pricey suburbs and exurbs, from park ridge to desplaines, Mr. Prospect, Arlington Heights, Palatine, Barrington, Cary, Crystal Lake, Woodstock, Harvard and points between started out as milk town stops.  

      And when my parents in a moment of romantic folly purchased a dairy farm in 1964, it was still visited reguarly by an inspector from the Chicago Board of Health.  (and if anyone is looking for 60 acres of Northern Illinois, drop me a k-mail)

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 02:54:11 PM PDT

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    •  I had a woman come visit my dairy (17+ / 0-)

      in a group visit, and while we were milking, she told me she milked her goats, and asked us about the supplies we were using to clean the sheeps' udders.

      It's pretty basic stuff - iodine based teat dip first, then an alcohol-based teat wipe; then we milk.  Then after milking we follow up with the teat dip again.

      She knew nothing about these basic sanitation methods.

      I was horrified to find out later she advertised her goats 'milk for sale (completely illegally) on Craigslist, and even has a sign outside her house.

    •  Good for you (1+ / 0-)
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      Having grown up around the stuff, I wouldn't touch anything that isn't pasteurized.
      Your standards are not my standards.  I probably wouldn't touch half the plastic-packaged shit you eat.  Doesn't mean I want to ban everything with HFCS or preservatives.
    •  I really wish the media (0+ / 0-)

      would include ALL the data when they make claims about disease outbreaks, cancer incidence, etc.

      The risk of certain things is very, very low. If it increases by 50%, that's STILL a low risk - though it does bear monitoring and research to see why it increased.

      They'll talk about the 5 incidents of whatever, making it sound like it's nothing. They don't say that there were 5 incidents out of 100 possibilities, which is a pretty high risk. They'll say that shark attacks have doubled this year - but not mention that there were only 4, instead of 2, only on 3 beaches. (made up numbers) So people freak out.

      They'll talk about the increase in cancer rates, and not mention that many of the increases are in elderly people, or that the cancers were found very early and cured.

      Not to dismiss the rise in cancer rates - but there's a distinct difference in a woman who gets cancer at 70 and one who gets it at 40.

      They also don't want to look at possible causes for obesity, especially childhood obesity. The rates have gone through the roof, and seem to correlate to the increase in soda machines in school, the elimination of recess and gym classes, and the increase of soda, juices, and processed foods in kids' diets.

      But a soda tax is a badddddddd thing... while kids who weigh 150 lbs at age 10 and have diabetes at 12 is good?

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