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  •  You can't do some research and then say, "do the (2+ / 0-)
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    rest of the research"...

    I'm not going to deny that examples like your family's occurred, although I did skim the overwrought pathos.  What I want to know is the rates and locations and how they changed over time and what caused those changes.  There is the implication that the rates were universally high and fell dramatically after Pasteurization was mandated, but I have yet to be shown proof.  It seems to me that articles like yours focus on large cities with industrial food systems.  Of course it would be stupid to take no precautions when moving from traditional food systems, in economies where 98% of people live in farms and small villages, to industrial food systems in economies where half or more of the population lives in cities.  Were the rates of TB etc from these sources identical in pre-pasteurization industrial food system-using cities and in rural areas?

    It is also disingenuous to imply that a regulated industrial food system is perfect, when recall after recall shows that it's not either.  There are risks either way.  There are also payoffs that may be worth the risks.  Who decides if a risk is worth it- regulators, or the people actually taking the risks?

    •  Frankly, you are just being an argumentative ass. (7+ / 0-)

      If you have read the diary you should have a clue.

      "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy

      by helpImdrowning on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 04:11:57 AM PDT

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    •  it figures. (5+ / 0-)
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      Coming from someone who has argued vociferously that vandalism by Black Bloc at Occupy protests is not violence, I'm not surprised.

      There seems to be a constellation of these attitudes in one segment of the left, and it does much to turn off the masses.

      As for me, I will happily drink pasteurized milk, from Clover Stornetta Dairies in Sonoma, who also do not use BGH on their cows.  Thankfully we have them as our major source for clean milk without BGH in the Bay Area.  (And when you drive up the highway in that area, you can see their cows lounging around in the pasture: no factory farming there.)

      I wouldn't drink unpasteurized milk even if I knew where it came from: too much risk in exchange for no apparent benefit.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 07:38:02 AM PDT

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      •  GOOD FOR YOU! (1+ / 0-)
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        I wouldn't drink unpasteurized milk even if I knew where it came from: too much risk in exchange for no apparent benefit.
        Would you like a cookie??
      •  yeah, believing in what you want to instead of (0+ / 0-)

        looking for the truth isn't just for conservatives.  Not only is it a disgrace to liberalism, but in matters of public health, it's dangerous.

        As the public health professionals at the CDC put it, pasteurization is one of the top 10 most important public health advances of the 20th century.

        Global warming is the inconvenient truth, nuclear power is the inconvenient alternative.

        by eigenlambda on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 09:21:49 PM PDT

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