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  •  Intent is the key word (5+ / 0-)

    I tried to be very nuanced about this in the diary. Criminal intent would mean that Zimmerman saw Trayvon from his car and thought: I'm getting out of this car specifically in order to assault that kid. That's criminal intent as I meant it. Think of the difference between 1st degree murder and other kinds of murder. A better word might have been premeditated.

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    by Ian Reifowitz on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:47:11 AM PDT

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    •  I can't help feeling there was intent. (6+ / 0-)

      In fact, I would posit (not accuse) that Zimmerman's call to the police was to cover what he was intending to do.  Everything he said was designed to justify what happened: that Martin was "acting suspicious" or that he seemed to be on drugs.  His following Martin when he was told (though not in the most emphatic terms) not to engage.  His telling the cops that Martin was "had something in his hands."  Yeah: a paper bag.

      I realize it's not the best thing to speculate on publicly, but I have some serious doubts about Zimmerman lacking malicious or violent intent.  He'd apparently proclaimed himself a member of the neighborhood watch (as far as I understand, there was no such organized effort), and as such, was looking for trouble.

      Don't get me wrong -- I think it's a terrific diary.  I would just quibble on that one point.

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      by Yasuragi on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 10:03:40 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks, Yasu, and I appreciate your positing (3+ / 0-)
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        I'd need some more evidence to hang my hat on to make such a posit, but I hear where you're coming from. I can't say I rule it out, but in addition to the lack of evidence, it doesn't feel right. Also, in some ways if Zimmerman was malicious that would be more comforting to us, if he were some kind of sociopath. It's far scarier if he wasn't.

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        by Ian Reifowitz on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:22:55 AM PDT

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        •  I agree that it would be... well, (2+ / 0-)
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          don't know that anything about this case would be more comforting -- but I'll go with "comfortable."

          And I don't mean to imply that he was.  I'm just responding to his tone and behavior, in as far as we can tell from the 911 call.

          Not saying I'm right, either.  Just that my hair kind of stood on end (as distinguished from catching fire) hearing his tone.

          There are 3.5 million people homeless in the US and 18.5 million vacant homes. What's wrong with this picture?

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          by Yasuragi on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:00:35 PM PDT

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