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  •  Is the president on board? (4+ / 0-)
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    I hope so because (among other reasons) good policy is good politics, and runaway gas prices is something that effects people's votes.

       More than high prices at the pimp, we can't afford to have the GOP back in power in our Nation.

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 11:52:23 AM PDT

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    •  the President better be on board (5+ / 0-)

      I'm sick and tired of the corporate welfare, and I'm sick and tired of corporate crooks and their politicians.   At the state and federal level, they are systemically dismantling the middle class and shifting the wealth up to the .5%.   D or R, I'm sick of insane conservatives and wall street liberals attacking our kids and destroying our country.

      "bin Laden's dead, and GM is alive" ~ Biden

      by dkmich on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 12:23:15 PM PDT

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      •  I have not heard President Obama (2+ / 0-)
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        utter a single word about taking action to mitigate the steep rise of gas prices.

          He's been talking a lot, but in a defensive posture, and in these days where facts are so easily muddled, explanations, even good ones about why you're feeling this pain at the pump means little.
           Taking proactive action to reign in the outrageous profits being taken (at our expense) by these big-money commodities traders will help everyday folks, will help the economy, and will help the Democrats politically.
           If Republicans start whining about measures that bring down gas prices, as they are often wont to do, they'll get caught in a place they don't want to be in an election year.

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 12:34:47 PM PDT

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        •  And according to Bernie Sanders the price added (2+ / 0-)
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          to a gallon of gasoline by runaway speculation (most oil and gas futures, some 80% are purchased by those who will never take delivery) is $.56 And that is a conservative estimate.

              If Americans' bill at the pump could be reduced by that much,  it'd be like adding the stimulus of another tax cut to fortify this fledgling recovery, rather than putting it at risk.
             And it would do wonders for the president's poll numbers, and for those who advocate for such measures.

             Finally, if the prices start coming down, the president can avoid being taken hostage (politically) by the "drill baby drill" crowd.

          "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

          by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 12:54:01 PM PDT

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          •  Oil and gas are nonrenewable resources (1+ / 0-)
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            If you don't want to pay the prices, cut your usage. Supplies are only going to be tighter in the future. No reason to expend significant government resources so that soccer moms and dads can keep tooling around the exurbs a little longer in their Escalades.

            Expensive gas is the future. Get used to it.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 01:59:23 PM PDT

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            •  I'm sorry, were you responding to me? (1+ / 0-)
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              Did I talk about expending government resources in any way?

                And aren't you raising something of a logical fallacy talking about soccer moms and Escalades, ignoring working men and women who need their cars to get to work and for other necessities, and who are already having trouble making it?

                Look, the long-term solution is, and has always been in renewable energy and conservation. We've known this for at least 35 years now, and the drive to bring those things about becomes ever more urgent.

                 But at this point, we need to look at the economic and political realities of this moment in time. Relief at the pump would help working folks, but is also good for the economy as it allows Americans a bit more discretionary spending and that ripples through the economy in a synergistic manner as high gas prices is almost like a regressive form of taxation, affecting those with the least money the most.

                 And the relief would be good for the Democrats politically, and face it, the DEms are our only hope for an energy policy that makes any sense over time.

              "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

              by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 02:18:16 PM PDT

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                  And aren't you raising something of a logical fallacy talking about soccer moms and Escalades, ignoring working men and women who need their cars to get to work and for other necessities, and who are already having trouble making it?
                They'll need to adjust too. That's the point of oil depletion. Working people are going to have to move closer to work, live in a smaller house or a condo, walk more places, etc.

                The transition will be very painful, which is why most people (including you) advocate solving the problem 'in the future' when some nebulous future alternative tech will save us.

                There isn't going to be an alternative tech to replace oil, at least in the near to medium term. I am an engineer and I understand these issues quite well. People who believe this are deluding themselves.

                And the relief would be good for the Democrats politically, and face it, the DEms are our only hope for an energy policy that makes any sense over time.
                This is also a pipe dream. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs have any serious energy policy that makes sense given the above realities. I have zero confidence that a second term Obama will do anything at all that is useful in terms of energy.

                Energy policies that make sense are extremely politically unpopular. Americans will not tolerate it, so politicians blame speculators and wall street instead of telling Americans the truth.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:51:56 PM PDT

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          •  The President is part of (1+ / 0-)
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            drill baby drill.
            period.
            he made that quite evident this part year.
            drilling the gulf - the arctic.
            you know. all over.  
            looking at further drilling in Alaska.
            his cave on keystone.
            he's no one's hostage.

            "We're drilling all over the place," Obama said in Maljamar, N.M., on Wednesday, standing alongside oil rigs on federal land. The president was announcing his plans for the expedited pipeline, a southern portion of the original Keystone XL, in Cushing, Okla., where construction is expected to begin this spring.

            You are not an Environmentalist if you support the brutal, cruel, inhuman life and slaughter of animals in Factory Farms which produce 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

            by Christin on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 02:06:07 PM PDT

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            •  I'm not so sure about that Christin. (0+ / 0-)

              And I think it's unfair to President Obama to put him in the same (mindless) category as people like the former half-governor of Alaska or Joe (I'm sorry to BP) Barton.
                The President's third legislative priority, after the stimulus and health care reform was his cap and trade proposal. He resisted the drill, baby drill nonsense during the last campaign, and he had acted to block Keystone before the pressure of rising prices began to weigh so heavily on him politically.
                 He's no tree-hugging environmentalist, but he seems to get the big picture on energy and the environment too. On the other hand, he wants (very much) to be re-elected.

                 I think it's a whole lot smarter politically to take the steps needed to reign in the speculators, as he'll win more hearts and minds that way than by giving in to the brainless crowd. And he won't piss-off environmentalists who are his natural supporters, and the planet will love him more in the long-run too.
                After all, he's got kids, and they'll have kids, and by the time that generation grows up and suffers the consequences of our actions, they will wonder what we were thinking when we messed up so badly.

              "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

              by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 02:59:46 PM PDT

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              •  sigh. (2+ / 0-)
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                i disagree El -   he knows better. He knows that Keystone will not lower gas prices.
                but he did cave to the pressure - and as someone who was called a "bot' on this blog since 2007, and was one of his top 200 cheerleaders here?
                i disagreeing - but i do.

                there's a reason he gets a F from most environmental groups, activists, speakers, authors, etc.
                do if you think this past weak, his cave on keystone, didn't already piss off environmentalists?
                i don't know what else to say.
                that was the only feather he had in his cap.
                and he let that one go too.

                there's nothing he has done - to take care of this planet.
                or "save it".
                he did not stop the rising oceans as he promised.
                he is not taking care of it.

                and i'm sorry - but to give him a pass, and say he's doing things that bush did not do (in regards to the planet) or  palin would have?
                he is. the drilling in the arctic. Alaska. the gulf.
                bragging about it.
                letting the gov slaughter wolves from a plane like palin loves to do?
                there's defense for that?

                i've given him passes for everything and anything since 2009.
                and went down in flames a lot defending him for things he did, or did not do.
                when i would not have defended a R president.

                i'm not burying my head in the sand on this issue too.
                his record on E issues is not good.

                If Bush did this - i'd be crying.
                  So I'm crying.
                And I'm done defending this - or saying he's being forced to do anything.
                So everything crappy he does?
                He's being forced, right?
                I don't think so.

                He was always going to cave on Keystone.
                But people getting pissed off about the 100 dollar bill to fill up their SUV's just made him act a little faster.

                The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management announced conditional approval for Shell Oil to drill six exploratory wells in the Chukchi Sea off Alaska in 2012 and 2013.  
                Weeks earlier, the Obama administration green-lighted exploratory drilling next summer in the Arctic's Beaufort Sea.=The Arctic has virtually no resources to deal with a spill.  

                If a Deepwater Horizon-style disaster took place in the far north, "we'd have nothing. We're starting from ground zero today," Adm. Robert Papp, the Coast Guard's top officer, recently told Congress.

                The Beaufort Sea is much shallower than the Gulf of Mexico.  But there is great potential danger to the waters and iceflows that are home to the polar bear and the harp seal and the bowhead whale.

                "Once oil is there, it gets under the ice and you can't remove it," Pete Ewins, Arctic species specialist with the World Wildlife Fund, said in Seattle recently.

                The low point in Obama's energy-environment record came in late summer.  He blocked the EPA from setting down new rules to cut ozone levels in the atmosphere that generate smog and cause respiratory illnesses among children.

                Big Oil and Big Coal lobbied relentlessly, purchasing the lobbying services of Washington, D.C., Democrats who once did good but now do well.

                Bill Clinton embraced God's great out-of-doors in the mid-1990's as a counter to Newt Gingrich and GOP extremists in Congress.   He designated the 1.7 million acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in the canyonlands of southern Utah.  Politicians in the Beehive State bellowed.  

                Obama has not responded to calls that he designate national monuments to protect the rich fishery of Alaska's Bering Sea, threatened by a mine, or the mind-boggling White Cloud Peaks of southern Idaho.

                Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/...

                You are not an Environmentalist if you support the brutal, cruel, inhuman life and slaughter of animals in Factory Farms which produce 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

                by Christin on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:20:37 PM PDT

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