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  •  Oil and gas are nonrenewable resources (1+ / 0-)
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    ivote2004

    If you don't want to pay the prices, cut your usage. Supplies are only going to be tighter in the future. No reason to expend significant government resources so that soccer moms and dads can keep tooling around the exurbs a little longer in their Escalades.

    Expensive gas is the future. Get used to it.

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 01:59:23 PM PDT

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    •  I'm sorry, were you responding to me? (1+ / 0-)
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      althea in il

      Did I talk about expending government resources in any way?

        And aren't you raising something of a logical fallacy talking about soccer moms and Escalades, ignoring working men and women who need their cars to get to work and for other necessities, and who are already having trouble making it?

        Look, the long-term solution is, and has always been in renewable energy and conservation. We've known this for at least 35 years now, and the drive to bring those things about becomes ever more urgent.

         But at this point, we need to look at the economic and political realities of this moment in time. Relief at the pump would help working folks, but is also good for the economy as it allows Americans a bit more discretionary spending and that ripples through the economy in a synergistic manner as high gas prices is almost like a regressive form of taxation, affecting those with the least money the most.

         And the relief would be good for the Democrats politically, and face it, the DEms are our only hope for an energy policy that makes any sense over time.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 02:18:16 PM PDT

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          And aren't you raising something of a logical fallacy talking about soccer moms and Escalades, ignoring working men and women who need their cars to get to work and for other necessities, and who are already having trouble making it?
        They'll need to adjust too. That's the point of oil depletion. Working people are going to have to move closer to work, live in a smaller house or a condo, walk more places, etc.

        The transition will be very painful, which is why most people (including you) advocate solving the problem 'in the future' when some nebulous future alternative tech will save us.

        There isn't going to be an alternative tech to replace oil, at least in the near to medium term. I am an engineer and I understand these issues quite well. People who believe this are deluding themselves.

        And the relief would be good for the Democrats politically, and face it, the DEms are our only hope for an energy policy that makes any sense over time.
        This is also a pipe dream. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs have any serious energy policy that makes sense given the above realities. I have zero confidence that a second term Obama will do anything at all that is useful in terms of energy.

        Energy policies that make sense are extremely politically unpopular. Americans will not tolerate it, so politicians blame speculators and wall street instead of telling Americans the truth.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:51:56 PM PDT

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        •  No, I advocate solving the problem in the present. (0+ / 0-)

          And I have for some time.

          "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

          by elwior on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 04:04:01 PM PDT

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          •  If you aren't willing to tolerate high gas prices (0+ / 0-)

            Then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:32:50 PM PDT

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