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  •  In 63 years Ive experienced racism both ways (5+ / 0-)
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    Considering there's several races, Ive seen it more than 2 ways.
    No race has the market on racism and its racist to say that any one race does

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:04:48 PM PDT

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    •  Do you understand White Privilege? (15+ / 0-)

      Do you know what it means to be afraid to walk out your door because you might get pulled over just for the color of your skin?

      Do you have to worry about being followed in stores just because of your skin color, and for no other reason?

      Do you have to worry about never getting the benefit of the doubt in matters of self defense because of skin color?

      Do you have to worry about people finding you suspicious and shooting you just because you're a little darker than they are?

      If not, then maybe you should think about that for a while.

      "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

      by Diogenes2008 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:09:18 PM PDT

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      •  I understand white privilege (8+ / 0-)

        I aso understand when I and other people have been treated in a racist manner by peopleof other racces that had nothing to do with white privilege.
        here's  one example. I used to get counseling at  the VA for PTSD. One day the counselor, a black man, came into the appointment raving about an accident he had just been in on the way to work. he'd collided with an Oriental man. he called that man every racial slur he could think of---I won't detail them all. I knew then that all racists aren't white people. ( I actually knew that before)
        Wanna tell me how you'd blame that on white privilege? Ive also experienced Oriental on black racism. There's a lot of racism that goes on that has absolutely n nothing to do with white privilege and I think sensitive people of every race will abree with that

        by the way---have YOU experienced all that? What the hell do you know about what Ive been through in life? I think your assumptions about me border on racism

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:33:15 PM PDT

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      •  I've been in neighborhoods and countries (9+ / 0-)

        where I've been approached by police and told that being anglo put me in danger at the time. I tell them thanks and continue on.

        I was in a 20 bed jail pod in Tallahassee with me, a hispanic guy, and 18 black guys (and, yeah, I think that that is about the normal racial ratio in Fla. law enforcement). Whatever.

        I've done time in a Mexican prison and know that there was discrimination towards me, black, and otherwise that was not Mexican. Whatever.

        In every U.S. prison and jail I've ever been in, I've watched all of the groups cliche up, and try to power up. Me, I always did my own time. Whatever.

        Have I been discriminated against in commercial environments in Atlanta, Chicago, etc. Hell, yeah!

        Do I understand "white privelege", and how often it's worked in my favor. Hell, yeah!

        (The whole male/female thing has always and everywhere tilted in my favor except on the odd occasion when I've managed to wander into a place where I was just not meant to be.)

        So it goes.

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:02:18 PM PDT

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      •  I am learning to see it, thanks to people (0+ / 0-)

        like you who are willing to discuss it, and for that I am appreciative because things make more sense when I understand them.  The idea of White Privilege gives me a frame of reference for thinking about racism that is insidious enough I couldn't see it well.  So thanks.  (BTW, why is WP capitalized?)

        This isn't exactly the same, but I get creeped out when I get followed.  The latest creeper followed me around the laundromat making small talk and wouldn't back off even when it was clear I wasn't interested. Ugh!  I hate that.  

        For women, stuff like that happens pretty regularly.  So even though I don't worry about it all the time, it does alter my behavior because I don't want to get raped.

      •  I understand the concept of white privilege (0+ / 0-)

        And I think it's horrible. I am white and was raised to believe all people are equally deserving of respect and dignity. When I attended a mostly black high school in Jersey City, NJ in the early 70's I was regularly bullied, harassed, terrorized and a few times mugged by black kids. I didn't understand why I was such a target - but rebellion against white oppression was in the air and I was a small, not physically strong, studious girl. I was targeted by racists who took out their anger on me. I call them racists because they often invoked my skin color during the abuse. I got suspended from school once for pushing a girl away who was jabbing me with a pin - right before she knocked me out. The school authorities bent over backwards to make the punishment equivalent for both of us even though she was the aggressor. Today I find myself admiring qualities like decency, humor, grit, and kindness, in the black people I encounter. But I also am walking on eggshells not to offend them. This is my psychological problem, I get it. But I get really, really irritated when it is assumed that only white people can be racist.

        •  'racism' vs. 'prejudice'... (3+ / 0-)
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          The idea is that 'racism' isn't simply anti-black (or other non-white) prejudice, it's an entire legal & social system that structurally devalues & disempowers non-whites while giving extra power/benefits to white people. So while anyone can be prejudiced against anyone else, and can use whatever power-in-groups that they might have available, "racism" only shows up when it's that particular prejudice that has the weight of an entire society (including the legal/financial systems) behind it.

          I'm not a fan of being strict about that usage (tangential: wander through "Yo, is this racist?"), but it's worth thinking about.

          Seems to me that schools often treat the bullied & bullies the same -- and bullies will grab onto any & every opening they can get to attack their victims. Even now, it's as if it's not the bullying being punished, it's having brought it to the attention of  the authorities.

          & about those eggshells -- chances are, you're not the only one walking on them. You might do some lurking in blackkos (& elsewhere online) to get some idea of where they are...

          •  Thanks, this has always been the way I've thought (1+ / 0-)
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            of racism.

          •  Thank you for your reply (1+ / 0-)
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            After I read what you wrote I had the insight that my experience in high school was more about being bullied than about "black people hate me". That in itself is stereotyping, but I was age 13-17 and that's what made sense to me at the time (and the feeling lingered, even though as I got older, I knew objectively that it couldn't be true). This wound is around 4 decades old already! I really want to let it go.

            •  Yeah, we've all got those 'kid-logic' memories. (0+ / 0-)

              Sometimes they're even logical in retrospect -- or a kind of logic that makes sense, even if other perspectives lend more accuracy.

              Bullying causes real damage -- mental scars, whether or not there are also physical scars. Figuring all that stuff out  can be complicated. I bet you can find some 'recovering from bullying' forum online somewhere... it's all too common. Good luck.

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