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    1. I think that comparing the one statistic between countries doesn't show the whole picture. If you compare the pre-gun control homicide rate in England to the US of the same time period, you'll see that England already had a much lower homicide rate. (link)

    The U.S. has a higher non-gun murder rate than many European country's total murder rates. On the other hand, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Mexico have non-gun murder rates in excess of our total murder rate.
    2. CDC statistics do not show this number:
    62,000 Americans died,
    I'm not sure where you're getting it.

    3. Restrictions on firearms would not have a large impact on the number of completed murders because the criminals will not turn in their firearms, will not obey the new laws, and will not stop being criminals. There are 283 million firearms in the US. Would you please give me examples of restrictions that would remove firearms from criminal hands?

    I don't object to decreasing the murder rate in the US. In fact, I've suggest many ways to reduce ALL violent crime in the United States. What you're assuming is that supply side gun control laws (which haven't worked yet) will decrease the murder rate in the US. It is an observation not backed up by fact.

    I also don't appreciate your attempt to paint all gun owners as pro-murder. I don't try to paint anti-RKBAers as pro-NO-SELF-DEFENSE.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 01:52:48 PM PDT

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    •  I'd think you mean Thailand not Taiwan (6+ / 0-)

      Thais are very reserved and keep things bottled up until they go pop then all bloody murder breaks out. Taiwanese seem to cus in Mandarin a lot and drive horrible but never get in altercations.   Just an opinion from living both places, no data.

      “Some students of natural history want no predator control at all, while many hunters and farmers want as much as they can get up to complete eradication. Both extremes are biologically unsound….” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 02:57:35 PM PDT

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    •  Responding in turn (0+ / 0-)

      1)I noticed your source cites some book published in the 1980's.  Not only is this now thirty years out of date, the book is not peer-reviewed and this raises questions about the data. Unfortunately, we don't get to see the data from your referenced source which merely states that rates of violence were low in England before gun control was beefed up.
      2)The CDC does indeed offer data that 62,000 Americans died due to firearm injuries in 2008.  I presented the data in the OP, and you can go to the CDC web-site, and see it for yourself.
      3)Here, you are only making suppositions, not factual statements.  None of us can know for certain what would happen to murder rates until we outlaw guns.  

      You additionally say that gun control laws have never worked, yet.  I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.  Worked in what way?  When has this ever been rigorously tested?

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:00:24 PM PDT

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    •  He's counting suicides as "violence" numbers.... (7+ / 0-)

      and adding 08 and '09 totals.

      Third paragraph, second sentence of the diary.

      In other words, misdirection, conflation and misleading.

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