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  •  Can You Establish It's Relevance? (none)
    Any idea how many Germans of his age spent time in a "Nazi youth camp?"  Do you think it was rare, or that a 14 being sent to a camp is the same as a 19 YO volunteering for the Waffen SS?  

    Look, I'm appalled that they picked Ratzinger, but not for the idiotic reasons you're offering up here.  

    As I said on the other thread, even some members of the White Rose group who were executed for openly opposing the Nazi regime had been members of the HJ (Hitler Youth) and the BDM (the girl's version of the HJ).

    •  Robert KKK Byrd (none)
      Many people are using Byrd's membership in the KKK to say this Rat'z past is irrelevant. However, Byrd has since worked very hard to undo the damage done by the kkk and has dedicated the rest of his days to social activism.

      Ratz on the other hand left the Nazi Party to promote an ultra conservative ideology that condoned bigotry and discrimination.

      •  Causality? (none)
        So, how is it you know:

        A. He was a member of the Nazi party (hint--he couldn't have been, because he wasn't old enough to be a member of the Nazi party until the last few months of the war, by which point he was already a POW.)

        B. Even if he had been, on what basis do you claim to know why he left?

        •  Nazi youth sorry (none)
          He left AFTER Hitler shot himself. (Uh oh looks like I better bail)

          He then went on to live an ultra conservative life filled with bigotry and discrimination.


          •  Are You Just Makin' Shit Up? (none)
            From the diary:

            In his memoirs, Ratzinger wrote that he was enrolled in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.

            Psst, 1941 was four years before Hitler shot himself...and Hitler shot himself about a week before the official end of the war.  I think you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.


            •  Look it up (none)
              There are as many source that say May 1945 as there are April 44.

              Conveniently all the April 44 references I can find were written after the pope died.

              Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Bavaria, who is arguably the next most powerful man in the Roman Catholic Church today. Despite leaving the Nazis in 1945, Ratzinger is famed for maintaining harshly right wing ideals, and is nicknamed "the enforcer" in the Vatican City. (Cardinal Ratzinger: The Vatican's Enforcer of the Faithby John Allen)

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      •  Byrd (none)
        There is a difference though. Byrd was active in the KKK as an adult and he didn't begin working to undo the damage until he was middle-aged. We shouldn't forget that Byrd voted with the segregationists in the 1960s. But yes, he has spent the past 35 years working to undo the evil he had done.

        It's ridiculous to accuse a 14 year old boy of being a Nazi when he had no choice. Choice is the key. If I put a gun to your head and force you to cross the street with me, are you doing it of your own volition? I wonder how many here would have said no to the Gestapo in similar circumstances. Come on, let's show some common sense here.

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