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    •  Ask a hacker (9+ / 0-)

      Any half good hacker can get a full bio, bank info, family members from brief proximity to your phone. Honor amongst hackers is the only shield you have.
      Police of course have no honor.

      •  They can't get it (16+ / 0-)

        if you never put it in.  Really, I can NOT understand people who race to put their entire lives online in "the cloud" or on the memory of a cell phone that everyone knows is open to the controlling Corporation, the Authorities, and anyone who can hack a radio transmission in range.

        I keep my cell phone turned OFF except when I'm using it.  I use it to a) call for roadside assistance if immobilized, b) connect with friends at pre-arranged meetings when we're coming from opposite directions less than once per month, c) very rarely, be available to repair personnel working on the house or the car, and d) receive messages that I usually play back no more than once every two weeks and then discard (I'm rarely interested in anything those people thought was SOOOO  URGENT they just HAD to tell me about it RIGHT AWAY anyway).  I carry the phone on the road in case of car failure and to work because I drive an hour each way to work.  Otherwise, it sits (turned off) in on or another bag or at the recharger in my address of record which is public record.  I do not store a "contacts" list with names of people; if someone gets my phone records they can do the runaround to figure it out for themselves (make 'em work is my motto).  I do not use the camera.  I have a piece of tape stuck over the indwelling camera in my laptop and disabling the face recognition software was one of the FIRST things I did on opening the case.  And when my bank sent me a credit card with the "WAVE" feature, I called them up and threatened to cancel the card immediately if they didn't replace it with one without.  I might get an aluminum wallet case just to be a little more secure.  Obviously, I don't do online banking.  If a bank suggests that I do, I suggest sweetly that they unlock their ATMS and turn them backwards for every passing customer to unload at will.

        Of course, I spent the first half of my life living in the 12th century and significant portions of the next decade in the sixth BEFORE the Common Era.  I'm quite content with pre-industrial technology for the most part (remember that indoor plumbing was invented by the time of ancient Crete, just not widely implemented).  I enjoy my collection of thousands of REAL books, and although I recently purchased a Kindle for portability of some materials on the road, I research so MANY things online that the only thing that can be said about me for certain should be that I have no interest in porn.  And I have cats.  That's obvious from my grocery records.  One does not buy six cans of Aristocat tuna and a large bag of IAMS cat chow every week for no reason.  Anything I don't want recorded, I buy with cash.  Doesn't anybody?

        This level of surveillance and insecurity was frankly predictable twenty years ago, and we should have all been thinking about our response strategies for that long.  For me, it's simple enough: anything you can see in public is probably a lie.  But then, all things are true in some sense, false in some sense, and meaningless in some sense.  And government security agents are incapable of comprehending post-modern concepts of reality, so no matter what their access to raw data their powers of interpretation are quite limited.

        •  Bingo! (3+ / 0-)
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          Don midwest, sb, Russgirl

          If Obama doesn't deserve credit for getting Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger, Bin Laden doesn't deserve the blame for 9-11 because he didn't fly the planes.

          by Bush Bites on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 08:27:18 AM PDT

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        •  rAmen! (0+ / 0-)

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 12:14:15 PM PDT

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        •  Don't think you quite understand (2+ / 0-)

          I had a hacker give me a demo about three years ago. Five seconds after accessing my phone he said I was a digital ghost. At ten seconds he had my SSN# and the floodgates opened. Mother's maiden name. Every password I've ever used. Algos going after my cash transactions. My father's service records (unclaimed benefits waiting). Medical records since birth. Persons who frequent the same coffee shop I do who ARE under active surveillance and my interactions with them.

          Three years later he would not even need the phone. A candid photo showing a face would be enough. There would be no time delay.

          You are right the gov is inept. They will use these tools as bludgeons. Expect heavy-handed exemplary persecutions. And expect that over time they will indeed learn to use a few of the tools at their disposal, however crudely.

          Expect also a lot of demand for digital natives willing to serve ruthless bureaucratic masters. They'll be shanghaied from the prisons if needed.

    •  But you can turn off the gps feature. (1+ / 0-)
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      If Obama doesn't deserve credit for getting Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger, Bin Laden doesn't deserve the blame for 9-11 because he didn't fly the planes.

      by Bush Bites on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 08:20:29 AM PDT

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      •  gps feature doesn't matter that much (6+ / 0-)

        As long as the phone is on, you're being tracked, and in any urban area can be tracked quite closely. While your phone only actively communicates with one tower at any time, there are negotiations going on to do handoffs between towers as you move, and doing that well involves the system having a fairly good idea of your location.

        •  You only need 3 towers (2+ / 0-)
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          and you can almost pinpoint the location. Cell phones are always looking at the signal strengths of any cell towers they receive so the phone knows to use the strongest signal. It takes longer that using a GPS location, but the end result is the same.

          Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

          by reflectionsv37 on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 03:14:38 PM PDT

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      •  Not quite. (0+ / 0-)

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

        by Bluefin on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 12:15:00 PM PDT

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