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  •  That's exactly my point! (1+ / 0-)
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    Weibe actually found that within an extremely narrow, nonrandom, nonrepresentative, and undocumented demographic subsample gun ownership is a risk factor for death by firearms - related homicide.

    As long as people like you refrain from extending that to that guns put at risk people who might not fit that extremely nonrandom undocumented demographic subgroup, I will refrain from pointing out weaknesses in his methodology that show how weak the study's applicability to the demographic real world is.

    •  So, you agree with my points (0+ / 0-)

      So, you agree that the Weibe study started with a sample of people who had died of gunshot wounds (taken from a larger sample of the US population that had died) and compared them to a sample of the US population that was alive.  And you agree that  the Weibe study specifically DID NOT conclude "that guns make you more likely to be murdered"  Yes?

      I point out that the Weibe study also does not conclude that gun ownership is a risk factor for death by firearm.  What they concluded was that people who live in a home where there is a gun are at a higher risk of suffering fatal gunshot (compared to people living in a home without a gun).

      Now you seem to be criticizing the Weibe study based on the study sample.  The Weibe study used a sample drawn from a nation-wide pool, and had over 1,000 cases (people who had died of gunshot).  This is a large sample for this sort of study.  What in your opinion would be a better sample for such a study

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 02:58:17 PM PDT

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      •  I've already (0+ / 0-)

        in two different comments made clear what my issue with the sample selection was.  I'm tired of repeating myself.

        •  So what is a better way to do the sampling (0+ / 0-)

          So, what in your opinion would be a better sample for such a study?

          Keep in mind that scientist such as Weibe have to work in the real world.  Larger sample sizes take longer and cost more money.  Oftimes, the researcher can not afford to make the sample as large as they want.  then there is the very real problem of finding and recruiting all those people and keeping them involved for the duration of the study.  Sometimes, the perfect study methods are dangerous and would be prohibited by the various ethics committees

          But please, tell us how you would improve on Weibe's sample, given your complaints.

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 04:13:57 PM PDT

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