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  •  There are much better sources to (0+ / 0-)

    indict abusive government programs than the extreme libertarians who hate government as a matter of principle.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:55:38 PM PDT

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    •  Agreed (5+ / 0-)
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      But when the likes of them cite the likes of us in a positive way, you know we've changed the dynamic for the better in some way. Half if not more of the battle is about controlling the terms of debate. We've started to turn it.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 03:02:52 PM PDT

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      •  I hate to do this, but he's cited Kossacks before (0+ / 0-)

        In an August 21 column, Washington Times columnist Nat Hentoff repeated the baseless claim that "blogging anti-Semites had [Sen. Joseph I.] Lieberman in their sights" during the recent Connecticut Democratic primary race between Lieberman and winner Ned Lamont. Hentoff argued that Lieberman was attacked "not only for his stand on the Iraq war but also because he is a Jew," and that he "was not surprised" at the "hatred among several of the fiercely anti-Bush bloggers during the campaign." Hentoff cited an op-ed in the August 8 edition of The Wall Street Journal by Lanny J. Davis, a Lieberman supporter and former special counsel to President Clinton, which quoted from comments by weblog readers that Davis characterized as "extremis[t], bigot[ed] and intoleran[t]." However, read in context, one of the quotations Hentoff cited was clearly a parody of an anti-Semitic rant, and both were from the reader comments section of the blogs, as Media Matters for America noted. Neither Hentoff nor Davis cited any evidence that either commenter spoke for anyone in the progressive community or that either commenter is actually a progressive.

        As Media Matters demonstrated, Hentoff and Davis simply misrepresented a reader comment by someone identifying himself as "tomjones" that appeared on the Daily Kos blog on December 7, 2005. The initial comment, followed by tomjones's reply, went as follows:

        Why Should Joe [Lieberman] Care ... about a bunch of goyim dying in Iraq? It's not like anybody he cares about is suffering as a direct result of the war.

        by greenskeeper on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:53:09 PM PDT

        right ... because as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about the welfare of other jews; thanks ever so much for reminding everyone of this most salient fact, so that we might better ignore all that jewish propaganda about participating in the civil rights movement of the 60s and so on

        by tomjones on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:04:20 PM PDT

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 03:06:32 PM PDT

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    •  We all hate this kind of government. (0+ / 0-)

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