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  •  "Complicit" goes too far. (0+ / 0-)

    There is a big difference between ordering people to be tortured and ordering the torture to end, but not prosecuting the last guys.

    It does not make the Obama administration guilty of the crime of torture, even id we can say that failing to prosecute them is wrong.  It's a very different, lesser kind of wrong.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:21:01 PM PDT

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    •  The person who provides the getaway car (7+ / 0-)

      is complicit with the bank robbers.

      Even if we take the present Administration at its word, failure to prosecute now absolutely guarantees the crimes will be repeated in the future.

      I'm not interested in measuring degrees of wrong. Enabling horrific crimes in the past and in the future is more evil than I'm prepared to ever willingly accept.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:29:17 PM PDT

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      •  That metaphor is wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        The DoJ isn't "providing the getaway car."  They're the police in this metaphor.  They had no involvement in the crime - they just didn't chase down the bad guys when they found out about it.

        And why do you have to overstate everything by two degrees of magnitude?  "Absolutely guarantees?"  There is a legitimate point to make about how treating this like a policy to overturn instead of a crime to prosecute, makes it more likely to happen in the future.  I agree, but the overheated rhetoric isn't necessary.  There is not "absolute guarantee" that torture will happen in the future, and the actions the administration has taken served to make it much less likely that it would happen - even if we don't think they have done everything they could.

        If you're not interested in measuring degrees of wrong, then perhaps you could lay off the exercise of assigning blame.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:35:21 PM PDT

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        •  I thought through the metaphor before I posted it. (1+ / 0-)
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          The Obama Administration is providing the means for the Bush-era criminals to evade retribution for their crimes.

          Sounds like a getaway car to me.

          You're right though, there is no guarantee the crimes will be repeated. Climate Change may render the whole thing moot.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:39:44 PM PDT

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    •  No, complicit is correct, legally and ethically. (7+ / 0-)

      The cover-up is part of the crime.

      The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

      by Orange County Liberal on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:53:48 PM PDT

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