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View Diary: Romney Broke Black Letter Law. Election Bribery. Read for yourself. (303 comments)

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  •  The law doesn't make that distinction (14+ / 0-)

    It references "going to the polls." If you bribe someone to go out and vote, you have broken the law even if you didn't tell them who to vote for or against.

    •  Bribe is what has to be proven. (2+ / 0-)
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      The Nephew, Argyrios

      Further, I'm not talking about what the law says, I'm talking about his defense.

      And the defense would be that it wasn't a bribe or inducement. That anyone could've come in for a sandwich. They didn't control the environment or even take up any way to be sure people were voting or how they were voting.

      In the end, we'd have to prove inducement. How do you do that in this case? I'd like to know.

      •  As the law is written the bar is extremely low (6+ / 0-)

        Offering anything whatsoever, having a value of $1 or more, combined with an exhortation to go to the polls (that specific language is in the text of the statute) would constitute a violation. He'd be just as guilty if he offered people sandwiches in exchange for a vote for Santorum.

        •  Ok. Then what? Because I'm of the opinion (1+ / 0-)
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          redhaze

          That just because a thing CAN be done, doesn't mean it ought to be.

          I've used this principle repeatedly in my life to help keep me focused and from going off on tangents unrelated to my main goals.

          So I ask this: what does this do for us politically and realistically what do you think happens to Romney if this is pressed or pursued?

          •  It's one thing for a candidate from out of state (0+ / 0-)

            to assume that what he's doing is in keeping with state law when it isn't. It's quite another when a local congressperson allows a campaign law to be violated flagrantly.

            Were the shoe on the other foot, were we looking at Democrats doing what Romney and Ryan have done, do you think there'd be gracious acceptance of such behavior from the Republican side?

            People in various places (such as Arizona and Georgia), some of them elected officials, continue to raise ridiculous charges questioning Obama's citizenship. What we've got here is a rather open-and-shut case of a state law being violated by a presidential campaign and a sitting Congressman. Why SHOULDN'T we make an issue of it?

      •  HOW CAN YOU IGNORE THE LAW? (0+ / 0-)

        AND THEN MAKE CLAIMS ABOUT HIS 'DEFENSE'?

        That's absurd. The law is crystal clear.

        •  I'm not ignoring the law. But I imagine you'd (1+ / 0-)
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          Argyrios

          Expect that if Romney was going to be charged with a crime, he'd mount a defense, right?

          I'm saying that defense means there are some things that need elucidation. The law says you can't give anyone something worth more than a dollar and tell them to vote. The reason is because this is potentially bribery or an attempt to buy votes. Right?

          So I'm saying, his defense would be around those issues. Or are you suggesting that he wouldn't mount a defense?

          And anyway, what happens after he's charged with this felony? What do you think happens next?

    •  And I'm sure that if that were a Democrat on tape (0+ / 0-)

      you would have the same clear-eyed, unbiased passion for the rule of law.

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