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  •  Frankly, I would prefer to offer an alternative (20+ / 0-)

    school vs. asking donors to give to educate children in schools that will cause them to grow up to support the execution of gays and other extreme views.

    As someone who has worked with schools in Afghanistan I can relate to your position. We were forced to shut one of our schools to girls after several Taliban attacks. But we worked with the local elders (shura) and continued that school for boys, and opened home schools for the girls.

    I am a HUGE supporter of education for all children in order to develop civilized societies, I do think that we have a responsibility to not settle for the lesser evil when that includes execution of innocent people, and other extreme actions and goals.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 08:41:43 AM PDT

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    •  We have considered it. (5+ / 0-)

      And some nonprofits do. But consider the following:

      1. At a Catholic school in Uganda, you do not generally get taught that gay people should be killed. That is neither church policy nor government policy. You will probably come out of it thinking that being gay is wrong, which is in line with church teaching, and despicable as that is, it is not the same thing. If I get to know that any of our schools teach that gay people should be killed, I would personally initiate a withdrawal of our program from that school.

      2. Imagine your scenario. A US-based nonprofit comes into a rural area of Uganda and says, well, we would fund your kids to go to the school near you that gets the best results, but we want to make sure your kids learn that gay people are OK and that they get contraception and comprehensive sex education (all things that I support), so we're going to build our own liberal school. How many parents do you think would send their kids to Liberal High?

      Sometimes, as in your case from Afghanistan, your mission has to take priority, and our mission is to make sure bright girls from poor families get an education. The Catholic church has plenty of blood on its hands from the execution of innocents in medieval and Renaissance Europe, but the fact remains that it runs schools that local people respect and value. Invisible Children is not answerable for David Bahati and his Family-sponsored legislation, and the work they are doing seems to be good.

      •  I prefer secular education (10+ / 0-)

        But am not suggesting we go to Uganda or Afghanistan and open liberal schools that reflect my personal views. It is not an either or. In your organization you sponsor individuals, not building and operating schools, so the situation is different that the organization I have been involved in.

        That said, I really want to see more specifics on exactly how IC spends its money, and how it is really helping children. I have not seen enough there to feel motivated to donate to them.

        I have an issue with any organization that has ties to radical groups like the Family, which I do not equate to sending kids to a run of the mill Catholic school.

        I imagine you have heard of the trouble Greg Mortgenson and CAI has gotten into with spending so much of their donor funds on his travel and book tours, vs programs. At the same time, he increased the level of understanding and desire to help kids in that part of the world.

        As usual, things are not simply black or white, but for me, I do my best to help these kids without having to totally ignore my moral values. I imagine you feel the same.

        Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

        by kimoconnor on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 09:00:49 AM PDT

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        •  I did hear about Mortenson. (6+ / 0-)

          Poor guy. Executive directors of international education nonprofits seem to go off the rails on a regular basis, don't they!

          I was more disapproving of Mortenson than I am of Russell. Russell's schools seem actually to exist and to have enrolled and graduated students. It appears that many of Mortenson's schools languished empty after being built.

          I understand what you're saying about the radicalism of the Family relative to the Catholic church, but if you're talking about actual numbers of deaths, it's clear which organization has more blood on its hands, and it's not the Family.

          However, I love the Ugandan sister who runs our program to bits. If I could make her Pope, I would, and the world would be a better place for it. And while she can't go against her church, her attitude towards such social issues is much more realistic than the attitude of former Cardinal Ratzinger tends to be.

          •  CAI has schools, many are now run by the govt (2+ / 0-)
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            We turned out boys school over to the Afghan government too, but still support it with additional salaries etc.

            And I am not accusing IC of killing people, and do not know enough about their relationship with the Family. But I can tell you this is a big red flag for me.

            And I understand your love for the Sister in Uganda. My favorite person in Afghanistan is a very devout Muslim, but open minded and in a way believes in separation of church and state more than many, and respects those who do not share in his faith.

            I see the powers in places like Uganda aligning too much with the more radical religious groups and showing NO respect for those who do not share their views.

            Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

            by kimoconnor on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 03:35:05 PM PDT

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      •  you would fill up Liberal Highs in Gulu... (8+ / 0-)

        ...and Lira, and Kitgum, and smaller towns across the north. Liberal Elementary as well.

        From experience, I say this with confidence. The people of northern Uganda value education a great deal, so much so that they maintained educational efforts during the worst of the conflicts in the north.

        Kim's model is viable. Were I to be working in your position - and I could easily be doing so - it's a pathway that I would be advocating and perhaps implementing.


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