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  •  Do you think the neoliberals/neocons (5+ / 0-)

    understand this and seek to impoverish (while continuing to enrich themselves!) the 99% to avoid it?

    "A Republic, if you can keep it."

    by Publius2008 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:47:36 AM PDT

    •  Not exactly, but I do think that many (1+ / 0-)
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      people are keen to profit on this trend, especially if their life span isn't expected to extend much further than the doomsday date.

      This in turn will only exacerbate the situation, as the "haves" and "have nots" will be driven even further apart.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:52:48 AM PDT

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    •  No, but I'm afraid others don't either (9+ / 0-)

      This, sadly is the one thing that's been largely lost in the 99% vs. 1% discussion.  Both groups want growth, but they want it for different people.  The 1% wants growth to enrich them and the 99% wants the spoils of growth to be more evenly distributed among the population.  I'm in the latter camp, but the point here is we're not going to get growth whether want it or not, so we need to reformulate what it is we want.

      I'd love to see a renewed focus on the ideas of Herman Daly, which I've blogged about a bit (here and interviewed Daly here).  He provides a great path forward for the 99%, if only we're willing to start discussing his ideas, which represent an economic model that takes into account ecological reality.

      contraposition.org - thoughts on energy, the environment, and society.

      by barath on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:54:49 AM PDT

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      •  Which engages the radical way of looking at (8+ / 0-)

        things as people like Graeber and Eisenstein do.  A paradigm change is needed.  And it needs to be global.

        "A Republic, if you can keep it."

        by Publius2008 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:56:51 AM PDT

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        •  I've been meaning to read both (1+ / 0-)
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          I've been a little wary of the latter because his work comes across a bit new-agey and isn't quite as hard-nosed as I like, but maybe it's good from a cultural perspective?

          contraposition.org - thoughts on energy, the environment, and society.

          by barath on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:58:56 AM PDT

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        •  True: global, but if we can get the U.S.A. ship (3+ / 0-)
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          steered in the right direction, we would not only tackle  a very large fraction of the problem, but also model for other urbanized economies a sustainable future, facilitating the appearance of that new paradigm: earth island.

          I'm in mixed-metaphor-mixed-with-worn-out-phrasing writing mode today, apparently. That's what I get for starting with a ship metaphor.

          Anyway, ecological action has to be comprehensive--urban design, agriculture, demilitarization, etc.

          Think, then act joyfully (both globally and locally) has been the only way forward for quite a while.

          Enjoyed this diary.

          The labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce. Clayton Act, Section 6.

          by Ignacio Magaloni on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:57:32 PM PDT

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