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  •  When humanity passes as a species (1+ / 0-)
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    our epitath will be "Should've gotten off that rock while you could, jackasses."

    The effective ending of our space program is one of the dumbest moves made by any politician, ever.

    This report highlights why.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:34:29 PM PDT

    •  Completely disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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      cai, Lily O Lady

      We have no right to spread our disfunction into the universe. We would just poison everything we touch out there, as we have down here.

      How many divisions does OWS have?

      by Diebold Hacker on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:34:12 PM PDT

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      •  Not to mention, I remember reading about one (1+ / 0-)
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        woman's reaction, as a girl, to a NASA person asked if women would go into space.

        "Of course," he said.

        Imagine her joy.  Of course.  Of course Space would not be denied to her entire gender.  Of course space exploration was a non-gendered dream.  Of course.

        Until he went on to say, "men have needs."

        So, in other words, he envisioned sending women into space to serve men's sexual needs -- prostitutes?  Or scientists and pilots who'd be turned into prostitutes, because they were in a small tin can with their assailants, or because they were were not allowed to say no?

        This is a culture that should be spread across the galaxy?  This is the "meritocracy" we'd trust to send our representatives into space?

        No.  The species will survive, if only in small numbers.  And we can damn well de-foul our own nest before we work on fucking up space.

        •  Nice Cherry picking (1+ / 0-)
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          One comment by one misogynistic asshole, and suddenly you're willing to doom the whole human race?

          Screw that.  The presence of the occasional asshole is insufficent to deny humankind expansion across the galaxy.  In fact, I'd argue it mandates it, or else the assholes will rule what's left here.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 05:19:14 PM PDT

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          •  There is nothing humanity can do to Earth, short (0+ / 0-)

            of global thermonuclear war, that will render it less hospitable than Mars or the Moon.

            Some of us will survive.

            And meanwhile, color me not-sorry that that head of NASA wasn't the guy "saving our species" by sending smart males with shaky ethics and breeding females into space.

            •  Global thermonuclear war is always an option (0+ / 0-)

              And there's a lot more to making a place hospitable then merely being able to stay there without dying.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 07:19:01 PM PDT

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      •  Who are you to decide (0+ / 0-)

        we have no right to something?

        I just don't have the same pessism about the human race that you do- we'd learn our lesson eventually.

        As compared to your course which leads to extinction and us never learning at all.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 05:17:39 PM PDT

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    •  Humanity--the locusts of the Universe. nt (0+ / 0-)

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 05:04:42 PM PDT

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      •  Locusts are incapable of learning (0+ / 0-)

        We learn slowly. There's a difference.

        And given the number of planets in the universe, if it takes another 10 or 15 Earths before we learn, I would still consider that an investment well worth making.

        The good about the human race far outweighs the bad.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 05:25:39 PM PDT

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    •  Or it could be: (0+ / 0-)

      "You should have taken better care of that rock."

      It might be a better approach than metastasizing bad behavior throughout the galaxy.

      I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

      by itsjim on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 10:03:02 AM PDT

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      •  That's a given. (0+ / 0-)

        But there is simply no way not to go extinct as a species without getting off this rock.

        Given the infinite number of unihabited planets in the Universe, I'm not prepared to doom the human race because we fucked up ONE.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:47:42 PM PDT

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