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  •  On one hand (2+ / 0-)
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    I wouldn't mind seeing Donnely elected but I would hate to lose that and not have Lugar.

    Lugar up until the last decade had been a pretty moderate republican who made good headway on nuclear proliferation and missile reduction.

    How bad is that... a progressive stumping for Lugar

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:53:51 AM PDT

    •  I used to have that concern. (5+ / 0-)
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      I was concerned that even a Mourdock primary win would just keep the seat out of play for us, and replace a non-insane conservative with an extremist one. However, as we can see, a Lugar defeat does not necessarily mean a Senator Mourdock.

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      by General Goose on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:52:53 PM PDT

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    •  I agree. (3+ / 0-)
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      I share that concern. I haven't voted for Lugar since George Bush took office, but I would hate to see him lose to a teabagger.

      There was a story on NPR about the situation this morning. Everything Chris Chocola said just made me steam! "Chocola says GOP politics have changed since Lugar was first elected." Yea, the assiness is off the scale! "(Lugar) hasn't recognized the realities of the political environment," meaning, I suppose, that he won't play ball. Actually, that was my biggest disappointment with Lugar, that he decided to try to get along with Bush when he had to know the missteps that were going on.

      Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

      by Debby on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:32:15 PM PDT

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    •  Will be interested in seeing Donnelly's Q1 (2+ / 0-)
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      Can he be competitive against Mourdock and CFG money?

      Right now I'd rather see Lugar win the primary than risk Mourdock, because this would be lean GOP before the CFG money poured in.  Lugar is a party line vote on all domestic policy anyways, and while good on FP on nuclear arms issues I don't know if he even has any pull in the GOP caucus anymore.  

    •  Lugar voted for no important (3+ / 0-)
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      Democratic legislation since 2008, did he? He's OK on foreign policy and some confirmations and won't vote against extending the debt limit, but other than that, it's more a difference of tone than substance, isn't it? I would certainly rather see Lugar beaten in the primary and give Donnelly a chance.

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      by MichaelNY on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 07:28:43 PM PDT

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      •  He did vote with us in the 2010 lame duck (8+ / 0-)

        Post-midterm he voted with us on START and a bunch of other stuff.

        Problem is, he's like all the rest, Snowe and Collins and Brown included, in that he toes the obstructionist line except in rare instances when leadership gives a green light.  That post-midterm legislative haul came from McConnell relenting on some things, for whatever reasons.  That's not to understate the Obama Administration's and Harry Reid's strategic and tactical moves in that time.  But ultimately McConnell had to relent.

        Given that Lugar and so many other GOPers are terrified of primaries, it makes people like Lugar largely useless.  There's no real loss in trading Lugar for Mourdock, and a gain if Donnelly can have a real chance to win.

        That's a good poll, and a 35-35 tie vs. Mourdock is damn good right now for us.  If Donnelly raises serious money and runs a good campaign, he can have a real chance at keeping it a tossup heading into the fall.

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        by DCCyclone on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 07:37:16 PM PDT

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        •  START is foreign policy (3+ / 0-)
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          Lugar looks like a statesman on foreign policy, then is almost as much of a saboteur on socio-economics as the rest of his caucus. As far as I'm concerned, people like him are no longer that useful in the Senate, whereas in the 1980s, even though I would never have supported them, they did have more use as reasonable conservatives. The party has changed, and as you say, they have towed the line on most important things.

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          by MichaelNY on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 08:27:36 PM PDT

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      •  Lugar talks a good game (7+ / 0-)

        but when it comes down to voting with Democrats it almost never happens.  I've watched it for 36 years now, and am so tired of hearing about it.  I've voted against him 4 times now(one time the party, in its limited wisdom, didn't even field an opponent), and hopefully won't have to again.  Mourdock is clearly less intelligent but the votes in the Senate will remain essentially unchanged from Lugar's record, which is nearly always aligned with the Repug party line.

        Donnelly would be a vast improvement.

        Speaker Boehner, where are the jobs?

        by Carlo on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 08:28:08 PM PDT

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        •  Mourdock would vote differently (2+ / 0-)
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          on nominations and foreign policy, and might vote for the Federal government to default on its financial obligations. The differences are significant, just grossly inadequate for anyone who really cares about Democratic priorities or even truly decent economic policy.

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          by MichaelNY on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 09:31:19 PM PDT

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    •  I appreciate Lugar's constituent relations. (3+ / 0-)
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      He always writes back when constituents write him.  This should count for something.

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:36:18 PM PDT

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      •  Yes it should (2+ / 0-)
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        That's something everyone should respect. But voting for things like unemployment insurance and jobs is more important.

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        by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 02:31:42 AM PDT

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        •  That's true. (1+ / 0-)
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          If Lugar loses the primary, then Mourdock gets closer to the Senate.  This is the guy who tried to derail the auto bailout in court.  

          In this part of the state, we're lucky if we have one Democratic candidate running for local office, so I don't neglect my duty to the local party by jumping ballots.  (And if I can get lots of Republican business reply mail to send back to them, so much the better!)

          Should Lugar win his primary, then I'll give Donnelly a serious hearing, check his record in IN-02 (was he an ordinary Blue Dog or was he a DINO out to undercut the President at every step?)

          "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

          by Yamaneko2 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 10:44:14 PM PDT

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