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  •  not if it could end up getting him (3+ / 0-)
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    another senate seat.

    I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

    by James Allen on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 09:32:26 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, and more House seats. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      by MichaelNY on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 09:44:27 PM PDT

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    •  Not much HOPE here (0+ / 0-)

      Sadly, there was little evidence from 2008 that the Obama political team could give a sh*t about ANYTHING besides electing Obama.

      But perhaps they will have learned something from their experiences since then.

      •  If so (3+ / 0-)
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        Why did they try to win states like Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, and Montana that wouldn't have ever made the difference between a win and a loss for Mr. Obama?

        Besides, his coattails themselves were quite important in 2008 and might be again this year, so it's not necessarily the case that he has to coordinate closely with local candidates to help their chances.

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        by MichaelNY on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 11:10:50 PM PDT

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        •  He tried to win states (0+ / 0-)

          Even when he knew he was surely going to win, Obama's team tried to win more states to build a bigger mandate -- a mandate for Obama.

          Maybe Obama thought that backed by a big win in the election, he'd get more respect from the Repubs in Congress. How did that turn out for him?

          I could see making an effort to take North Carolina for the satisfaction of winning a Southern state. If you think he went to N.C. to help Kay Hagan, well, that's a sweet thought.

          But thanks for mentioning Team Obama's efforts in Indiana and Missouri -- where there were no Senate contests in 2008 and so no races to influence.

          I'll grant that the Obama campaign did try to win Montana. But I don't think it had anything to do with Sen Baucus's reelection campaign against an 85-year-old, uh, eccentric and the surprise winner of the Repub nomination who ended up with 27% of the vote.

          Perhaps you'll take the bait again and try to give better examples where the Obama campaign was reported to have concentrated its efforts in order to help a given Senatorial (or House) candidate? Because I say it did not happen.

          •  Where did I say he coordinated (0+ / 0-)

            with other candidates in a major way? I said that this statement was false:

            there was little evidence from 2008 that the Obama political team could give a sh*t about ANYTHING besides electing Obama.
            You now concede that this is false, and say they cared about winning extra states to get a bigger mandate.

            And what I said is that coattails themselves helped drive a wave in 2008. What are you complaining about, considering how many House and Senate seats the Democrats won that year?

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            by MichaelNY on Sat Apr 07, 2012 at 12:17:29 AM PDT

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            •  Fail (0+ / 0-)

              This is true, and you have failed to refute it:

              little evidence from 2008 that the Obama political team could give a sh*t about ANYTHING besides electing Obama
              Winning extra states to get a bigger mandate is simply an expansion on my statement that in the 2008 election Team Obama was about Obama and only Obama.

              Since you have yet again failed to come up with any evidence that based on past practice we have little HOPE that Obama will work hard for individual Democratic candidates for the Senate, I'm gonna drop this thread and move on.

              •  Answer this (0+ / 0-)

                How many more Senate or House seats do you think the Democrats could have won in the 2008 wave if then-candidate Obama and his organization had done something else that you specify? I really don't understand what you are complaining about, given the results of the 2008 election.

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                by MichaelNY on Sat Apr 07, 2012 at 04:47:46 AM PDT

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      •  Give me a break... (1+ / 0-)
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        The best thing Obama can do to for Democratic chances is to make sure he is reasonably popular and that his likely opponent is as despised as possible.

        Politics and more Formerly DGM on SSP. NM-01, 25 (chairman of the Atheist Caucus)

        by NMLib on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 08:27:56 AM PDT

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        •  Give me history (0+ / 0-)

          Other Democratic candidates over the past century have made efforts on behalf of Congressional candidates who would support their programs in Congress, stumping with them, helping their fund-raising, etc.

          See, for example, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, even Bill Clinton. But Barack Obama, not so much.

          •  We're pretty damn early for that (1+ / 0-)
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            It's April, not September or October, you can't stump for a candidate when nobody is even paying attention.

            Most states haven't even gotten through their congressional primaries, so outside of fundraising (which, by the way, I haven't heard of congressional Democrats complaining about lack of help on that front) I'm not exactly sure what you think Obama should be doing now?

            Politics and more Formerly DGM on SSP. NM-01, 25 (chairman of the Atheist Caucus)

            by NMLib on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 10:00:46 PM PDT

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