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  •  In general, you're right (2+ / 0-)
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    Gary/Hammond/East Chicago is the bluest part of the state. Indianapolis is blue and getting bluer fast. We don't have a third major Democratic city, but we have numerous small/medium ones.

    Bloomington, of course
    South Bend/Mishawaka
    Elkhart
    Muncie/Anderson
    Terre Haute
    (West) Lafayette
    Kokomo
    Marion

    And that's not even mentioning Evansville and Fort Wayne, the former being ancestrally Dem (and bluening) and the latter being swingy (and bluening).

    Ohio has Cleveland/Columbus/Cincinatti, plus Toledo, Youngstown and (to a degree) Dayton. On balance, the two states really aren't that different. Midwest, Rust Belt manufacturing states. Until recently, labor friendly. The auto companies have a few plants here in the Hoosier State.

    The biggest difference is that Ohio has more electoral votes, so we've actually targeted it cycle after cycle. If they actually tried, as I will keep saying over and over again, it will be in play every election, just like Ohio.

    24, Solid Liberal Democrat (-4.75, -4.51), DKE Gay Caucus Majority Leader, IN-02; Swingnut. Gregg for Governor! Donnelly for Senate! Mullen for Congress!

    by HoosierD42 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 02:50:55 AM PDT

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    •  You don't concede (3+ / 0-)
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      that Ohio has a much more populous Democratic base? Cleveland is way bigger than any city in Indiana and makes a huge difference. I haven't checked, but I think Columbus is also bigger than Indianapolis.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 03:03:35 AM PDT

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      •  Indianapolis is bigger. (3+ / 0-)
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        By about 50k. Indy is also way bigger than Cleveland proper, but the Cleveland metro is bigger than Indy metro.

        And yes, you're right, Ohio has a larger base. But that is as much a result of lack of Democratic involvement as anything else.

        24, Solid Liberal Democrat (-4.75, -4.51), DKE Gay Caucus Majority Leader, IN-02; Swingnut. Gregg for Governor! Donnelly for Senate! Mullen for Congress!

        by HoosierD42 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 03:33:24 AM PDT

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      •  Michael is very right on this (4+ / 0-)
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        Indiana doesn't have the huge urban and industrial vote that Ohio has.  Indiana has the northwest corner which is a very tiny version of what the Cuyahoga-and-company northeastern corner gives Ohio.  And the smaller industrial oases Indiana has don't come close to rivaling their counterparts in Ohio in places like Dayton or Toledo.

        It was a huge miracle that Obama won Indiana, a very underappreciated one.  And it's not something even OFA thinks they can replicate.

        But you know, campaigns and elections can get weird, and if Mitt proves an even bigger screw-up than we already know and the election goes way south for Team Red, than sure we can find Indiana and other sides suddenly being in play all over again.

        44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 08:09:30 PM PDT

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        •  I guess I just take issue (0+ / 0-)

          with OFA focusing more of getting Obama re-elected than long-term party-building. But that's the way it is I guess.

          24, Solid Liberal Democrat (-4.75, -4.51), DKE Gay Caucus Majority Leader, IN-02; Swingnut. Gregg for Governor! Donnelly for Senate! Mullen for Congress!

          by HoosierD42 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 10:59:45 PM PDT

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          •  OFA's ONLY purpose is reelection! (1+ / 0-)
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            "Party-building" is not even a trivial part of their job.

            Party-building is the DNC's and the state party committees' job.

            44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Sat Apr 07, 2012 at 05:26:05 AM PDT

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            •  OFA and DNC (0+ / 0-)

              Are largely the same thing right now.

              24, Solid Liberal Democrat (-4.75, -4.51), DKE Gay Caucus Majority Leader, IN-02; Swingnut. Gregg for Governor! Donnelly for Senate! Mullen for Congress!

              by HoosierD42 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:11:48 PM PDT

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              •  They are separate entities and... (0+ / 0-)

                ...that is a substantive difference, not a cosmetic one.

                Yes the DNC is preoccupied with reelecting President Obama this year, that's correct.  That's what a national party committee does when their own party's President is up for reelection.  It's smart and it makes sense.

                But the DNC is not OFA.  OFA's sole purpose is the reelect, and they will close shop post-election after wrapping up whatever administrative and financial matters still need tending.

                There is no party-building without reelecting the party's own President, that's a precondition to all else.  We should be so lucky as to have to "suffer" this "problem" once every four federal cycles.

                44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

                by DCCyclone on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 06:34:12 PM PDT

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