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  •  If not Roberts, then who? (1+ / 0-)
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    Those arguing for the Dems to filibuster Roberts ignore one reality. If they had filibustered Roberts, what would have been the result?

    Would Bush have offered up a new, more moderate nominee? Not bloody likely. Would the American electorate have responded badly to a Democratic Congress that would have taken a lot of hits for partisan politicking? Much more likely.  Would the Democrats have gotten the 59-60 seats they briefly held in the Senate? Maybe not. Throw in the blue dogs, and we might not even have had the majority that voted for the ACA with budget reconciliation rules.

    So, what would Democrats have accomplished by blocking Roberts' nomination, or the nomination of Alito, who is even more radical and partisan?

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    by FischFry on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 10:20:06 AM PDT

    •  False choice (4+ / 0-)
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      And false point.

      The question was not if not Roberts then who? It was who is John Roberts?

      I remember you were one of those telling us he was "mainstream."

      You were wrong.

      Time for you to fess up.

      •  Doesn't it come back to (1+ / 0-)
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        "elections have consequences?"  Once Bush got re-elected, we weren't going to get good Supreme Court judges under that administration.

        Barack Obama for President '08

        by v2aggie2 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 11:12:09 AM PDT

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        •  Not this question (3+ / 0-)
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          Chi, chuckvw, andgarden

          This question was about who John Roberts was.

          That came down to being honest or actually understanding what John Roberts was and is.

          Fischfry and many many many others were wrong about who Roberts was.

          It would be nice if they took the time to acknowledge their error.

          We can then discuss the issue of tactics regarding Roberts.

          But first, let's be honest about who he was and is.

          •  Roberts vs. Alito (0+ / 0-)

            I think the evidence is pretty compelling that compared to Alito, Roberts is mainstream conservative closer to the center than Alito's radicalism. So, I wasn't that far off, even if I did write what you claim I wrote.

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            by FischFry on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:03:57 PM PDT

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          •  There you go (1+ / 0-)
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            Armando

            Looking back... The dems largely took a powder... while keeping it oh so dry... on this and much else.

            The memory hole is deep, dark, and meant to be silent!

            If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

            by chuckvw on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:56:13 PM PDT

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      •  I'm pretty sure you're misremembering (1+ / 0-)
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        I said he's extremely gifted and intelligent, which qualified him for the Court. I might have even said he's within the mainstream of conservatism -- but, as this piece notes, that has really shifted to the right. I'm sure I said then and still say it's not a false choice. The President nominates...if Dems "borked" a nominee, especially one who didn't trip up the way Bork did and expose ultra-radicalism, it would only cause the right to push Bush into nominating an even more extreme or equally extreme candidate.

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        by FischFry on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:01:43 PM PDT

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    •  It seems logical (0+ / 0-)

      that if the Democrats continued to refuse to confirm radical nominees, then the Republicans would have been forced to come up with more moderate ones.

      ♥ Medicare For All. ♥
      "Our health care system is like a casino. The insurance industry is the House... The House always wins." -- UnaSpenser

      by Chi on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 11:59:19 AM PDT

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      •  Logical? We're talking about the radical right. (0+ / 0-)

        Logic doesn't enter into their political equation. They create their own logic, which is the logic of the Overton Window. They're happy to be extreme because they think it moves the country in their direction.

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        by FischFry on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:05:30 PM PDT

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