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  •  My 2 cents on President Obama's change (1+ / 0-)
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    winton

    I think that President Obama is predisposed to working with others across the board.  He's a pragmatic liberal.  This dates back to his tenure as President of the Harvard Law Review, where conservative law students praised him for reaching out to them, though they were certainly in the minority.

    And when people talked about change in 2008, for many out there, it wasn't necessarily about the progressive change desired here as much as it was about the fatigue of the Clinton and GW Bush eras that were associated with an overall nastiness and a lack of accomplishment that wasn't very satisfying.

    It should also be noted that President Obama arrived on the national scene when he gave his 2004 DNC speech.  It was a speech noteworthy not for its partisanship but rather its call for a greater national good and getting rid of distinctions such as a "blue" and a "red" America.  You can choose to disagree with it, but it shouldn't come as a surprise when President Obama came into office with a tone that emphasized working together.  It was basically in line with the breakout 2004 DNC speech.

    The election of President Obama was basically, in my view, a call for action on issues but it should not be confused for a call for a liberal revolution -- though the beginnings of one (like 1968 for the GOP) could take hold.  And the 111th Congress answered the call for action by becoming the most productive Congress since at least the the LBJ era.  And that was despite the complete obstructionism of the GOP over this time.

    As this obstructionism has continued, President Obama has now adopted more combative tone towards the GOP's policy proposals.  And he is in a better position to do so because his overtures to work together have been so thoroughly rebuffed.

    It's one thing to say the GOP is obstructionist.  But when you have actual proof of it -- as the last 3 years have shown -- the case makes itself.

    Really, here is the GOP today -- a party of nothingness.  They are suing to overturn policy proposals that they themselves created.  If that doesn't indicate a dearth of ideas and the goal of solely gaining power at all costs, I don't know what does.

    President Obama can say he tried to work with the other side but they wouldn't budge.  It's a much easier case to make when you can use reality and not theory.

    Now -- feel free to flame away!  :-)

    Barack Obama for President '08

    by v2aggie2 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 12:01:24 PM PDT

    •  This comment seems a nonsqequitor to me (2+ / 0-)
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      chuckvw, andgarden

      For example, you write "It's one thing to say the GOP is obstructionist.  But when you have actual proof of it -- as the last 3 years have shown -- the case makes itself."

      That's not the case that was made or disagreed with, at least tactically, by Obama in 2005.

      The argument is "they are who we thought they were" - extreme and radical.

      In a vacuum, being  "obstructionist" is not necessarily a bad thing. Indeed, it can be a good thing, obstructing bad things can be the right thing to do.

      I do not see how your comment relates to my post.

      •  My point is (0+ / 0-)

        yes, they are who we thought they were.

        But people often have to experience what that is to fully believe it.

        As for being an obstructionist, you are correct, it is not necessarily a bad thing.  But when you are obstructing your own ideas, well, it shows an emptiness in your philosophy and that power is the only goal.

        Barack Obama for President '08

        by v2aggie2 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 12:19:21 PM PDT

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